About 20 days ago, I had made a blog post about an idea I had for a better federated search engine model.
It didn’t take much time for it to develop into a thing I am fixated on.
I am putting the code out, its not ready or working, but it is something I am really happy to make and has filled my time with joy designing.
My current plan is the following:
- Get the basic web-ring creation process down
- Get scraping jobs functional
- Provide a basic query system
- Implement basic user accounts
- Implement basic federation
- Implement basic moderation
Once I am done with the core features that I have in mind, I will start working on adding more features and quality of life improvements.
Some features I want to work on to make this software more enticing to administrators:
- The ability to customize what is publicly accessible.
- The ability to edit the pages HTML style on the fly, without having to recompile.
- Containers for easy deployment.
In regards to application design, I am taking pages from my book in developing Android applications, along with cherry-picking from projects @nutomic@lemmy.ml made.
- MVC design, with static pages to provide the fastest loading experience for users
- Bootstrap to make the pages responsive for any device
- Diesel to abstract database interaction and migration.
- Handlebars for view templating
- Axum as the HTTP core
Hopefully these design decisions make my application as debt free as possible.
If you have any advice or suggestion, please do give, I want to know how I can do better or avoid common pitfalls for newcomers!
If you have criticisms, please be constructive and have empathy towards the fact of me doing this because it makes me happy.
It’s 孟子 for anyone wondering
Really interesting proposal! To a degree the structure of Lemmy/Mbin/etc may be quite close to the categorising and moderating aspect, and might be a good place to start collecting URLs to crawl.
Each community could be considered analogous to a (rather chaotic) webring. When an instance doesn’t meet your moderation expectation, defederate; if a MengZi user wants to see search results from different defederated segments, use a MengZi instance that federates with both, or just have both plugged into a searx instance.
The categorising side of MengZi could be (from an activitypub perspective) like a very cut down version of lemmy –each webring/category being a community, each website being a post, comments disabled or limited/filtered to hashtags.
A webring could be a specific sort of category/community, where a submitted website’s url’s page must contain specific metadata definining its membership in that ring or it is automoderated and removed. Such a category could automoderate the url and title to be the default page defined by its membership metadata. Existing webring html element standards could suffice.
A website could be crossposted to other categories, including to other instances, even to/from lemmy or other compatible activitypub sites. If a (cross)posted post is not a url returning the correct mime type for a category then it can be automoderated and deleted; same for other arbitrary criteria a category could define.
A website/post on MengZi could be accompanied by relevant crawling metadata, even full search database data available via the api for sharing to other MengZi instances to save duplication of crawling effort while distributing the database.
Webring integration would be very cool so many queer people still use them
Thea idea revolves around web-rings, but I feel like you’re implying something different?
This sounds like a very interesting idea. I agree that Yacy doesnt work, when I checked it out years ago it was a completely bloated mess. Not sure how viable how your idea is, because Im not familiar with webrings, and not sure how the federation will work. Anyway the main challenge for this project will be to actually give useful search results, both early on when there are very few crawlers, and also later once spammers try to abuse it.
What will abuse look like in your mind?
Some of the ways abuse can happen
- Crawling false data / misinformation on a topic
- Putting info on search as part of a scam / spam campaign
- Putting false news about events that are happening, or have not happened at all
- Putting false information about a business competitor
- Putting fake reviews about a product
Just a few that I can think off… existing websites have the issues too, but what is different is how existing sites decide relevance and how often said algorithms weed out the bad content . In my opinion a distributed search engine will have a harder time at combating those, and other potentials for abuse, because there is less control about what is getting scanned there is an open policy of who can join the distributed scanning.
The first one I feel is a legitimate issue that I should brainstorm. But is tricky to compute.
The rest seem to be something moderation may help with. But not directly solvable.
Did you ever stumble upon yacy? https://github.com/yacy The website seems down but the general direction of the project might be up your alley.
I remember trying yacy over ten years ago and I really wanted to like it but it was functionally useless. The results I was getting would be unrelated to my query almost every time. I checked back periodically over the years but that never seemed to improve much.
It’s the first thing I thought of too though.
Do check my original blog, it explains somewhat the issue of YaCy.
Linux reviews also has a good article on it. https://linuxreviews.org/YaCy
any advice or suggestion, please do give
I haven’t build one so I can’t help as much… but I’d be honest from the start by comparing it, head-on, with alternatives (if I understood correctly) e.g. https://github.com/searxng/searxng and simultaneously, because it’s federated, make it interroperable with them.
Looking trough their docs I can’t even find the word federate. From what I can tell it just refers to the part where the aggregate results
I love the idea
I’m starting to look at airflow for my own project, not sure if you’ve heard of it or projects like it, but it seems like a great foundation for a scraper. I’m still evaluating options for that, but so far it’s my pick
Hit me up if you get stuck or make a breakthrough, I’ve got a pretty good handle on activity pub and the lemmy API, and your project would add a lot to mine
This sounds interesting. I would love to hear about how it could integrate with other platforms.
What platforms do you have in mind?
Keep us updated as you get more working.
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An API that developers could use to integrate search in their projects would be nice. And that would also allow developers to create an app ecosystem.
This sounds very interesting, and I can’t wait to see what comes of it.
