How anti-immigration politics across the EU clashes with demographic reality
  • Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml
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    15 hours ago

    this might be kind of naive, but is the decline across the board really that inevitable? surely these social democratic countries could do something to encourage population growth? i’m not european btw

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOP
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      14 hours ago

      It would require a massive change in social policies to encourage people to have kids. However, given that EU is headed for an economic collapse, I expect the problem will only be getting worse.

    • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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      17 hours ago

      Back when we had socialism, people in Romania complained about not being able to travel outside the country. Now that Romania is in the EU and the borders are open for anyone to leave, i constantly hear people complaining that too many are choosing to leave the country. Can Romanians make up their mind already?

      • RomCom1989@lemmygrad.ml
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        17 hours ago

        I was born post 2000 and I can actively remember a time when my city was more populated

        It’s insane how much the west took from us,both in resources and people and gave only scraps back

        The war (that I could see happening occasionally with my own two eyes from my window) made me a life long committed anti west believer

        • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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          17 hours ago

          I’m about a decade older than you and i can remember growing up when Romania’s factories didn’t look like ancient ruins yet, when the streets weren’t overcrowded with cars, when the apartment buildings weren’t falling apart, and when people still thought they were about to usher in a paradise of freedom and prosperity because they had just gotten rid of those nasty evil communists.

          The moment i became a committed believer was the moment when being in Romania started to feel like i’m walking through the ruins of a once great civilization…seeing the crumbling monuments and great works that these advanced people were once capable of building but whose skills have long since been forgotten, as if an apocalyptic event has wiped out all knowledge and society had been forced to return to a more primitive stage - one in which the only things we knew how to build anymore were advertisement billboards, shopping malls and gaudy mansions for corrupt politicians and their oligarch friends.

  • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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    2 days ago

    Biggest takeaway from this is that with or without migration, the Baltics are fucked. For all their paranoia of Russian invasion, they are emptying their own countries to a point where the Russians can just walk in and find no one is there anymore.

      • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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        17 hours ago

        Yeah it’s not looking good for Romania, but at least there is a little bit of a buffer there. I mean Bucharest alone has more inhabitants than all of Estonia.

        One interesting thing to point out is that some of the red you see on the “with migration” map amounts to a net internal population movement. Ilfov county is noticeably blue in the migration scenario which to me indicates a transfer in population from the rural/smaller cities to the capital.

        But that’s not a good thing either as it means that the country has policies that really neglect most parts of the country except for the capital. And you see this disparity when you are travelling around the country. Meanwhile Bucharest is becoming increasingly overcrowded as well as gentrified, and the traffic with so many commuters into the city from the outskirts is horrible, especially since the infrastructure has been neglected for so long.