For those who are not clued into the intricacies of turkish (ethno-)nationalism, turanism is kind of like the odin-flavored racism in germany. They hate arabs so much they reject Islam (which is otherwise pretty core to turkish nationalism) because it’s an “arab religion”. It’s in a (not so coincidentally) similar vein to the odin-racists hating jews so much that they reject christianity due to it being a “semitic religion”. I could get into it more if needed but if you also browse the articles about the grey wolves (why are they called that 🤔) it should be fairly clear why that comm is a fascist op that is now being spread on lemmy

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    26 days ago

    I should have just went to the reddit sub tbh. I don’t know if it gets clearer than this. This is just skimming the frontpage for a minute

    Obsessing over DNA, haplogroups and what ancient civilizations some DNA can(?) be trace backed to

    Kurtpasa1923 (Kurt=wolf, the symbol of the nationalist movement, pasa=the ottoman title and 1923 is the founding of the turkish republic all smashed together) asks about a “Turan Union” https://www.reddit.com/r/Tiele/comments/1wkso90/do_you_think_a_turan_union_could_be_established/

    I guess they sanitize it for the lemmy audience? Idk, but that plus the related communities should paint a very clear picture imo

    Related communities include

    • “Turkic mythology”
    • “Turkish empire”
    • “Turks” has a wolf in it’s logo
    • and of course “sekulermilliyetciturk” aka “secular nationalist turks”
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      25 days ago

      I asked for evidence of this community being guilty of what you’re claiming. I did it the first time, you answered everything other than that. I reiterated with

      Because everything you said is, more or less, disagreement. That’s perfectly fine and acceptable, that’s the world. But you’re making a very large claim and have yet to provide any evidence that the community is what you’re claiming.

      You responded with

      I’ve decided not to go further with digging into the history of it all.

      So you’re making a severe accusation against a community and refusing to provide any supporting materials of the behavior from the community you’re accusing of this behavior. Then an hour later…

      I should have just went to the reddit sub tbh. I don’t know if it gets clearer than this.

      This is not Reddit. I asked for evidence of your claim that the community you claimed of being a fascist op was in fact a fascist op. You outright said you have personally decided not to dig into the history of it all. An hour later you dug into the history of it all from a different website and posted it as a gotcha.

      I guess they sanitize it for the lemmy audience?

      You haven’t posted a single thing from lemmy that supports your claim. You have, however, posted links from another and unrelated website in claiming that that somehow bolsters your claim of fascism on this community. The thing that is concerning to me is that you seem to have zero problem going to this other website and looking for evidence of your claims but you refuse to do so here on Lemmy.

      But unpacking it all would be a big effortpost just in order to get the copy of an already dead comm deleted and I have enough stress and stuff to research as it is.

      You literally just did that same effort in going to reddit, finding multiple posts, taking screenshots and making a comment. All to bolster your claim that the lemmy community is guilty of these things. Yet… its too much effort to find this behavior on the community you’re actually accusing of said behavior?

      You keep avoiding the one question that I keep asking. You made a claim about this specific community. Do you have any evidence for this behavior? You are now grabbing ‘evidence’ from another website as if that stands for this community. Different website, different users, different mods, different posts. None of which is valid evidence to make a claim against another website.

      So. Again.

      You answered a lot, and I’m thankful for that. But you didn’t answer the major one. You’re accusing this entire community of being a fascist op.

      Do you have literally any evidence of this type of behavior on that community?

      Because everything you said is, more or less, disagreement. That’s perfectly fine and acceptable, that’s the world. But you’re making a very large claim and have yet to provide any evidence that the community is what you’re claiming.