It’s not looking good, and it doesn’t really make sense to fight a losing war.

How do the Ukrainian people go about even discussing surrender among themselves? I’d imagine any mention of it would be met with hostilities, perhaps even violence.

It’s a shame because that lack of reasonable discussion can directly influence how many people die that could’ve otherwise been saved.

  • commander@lemmings.worldOPEnglish
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    3 days ago

    Not only are you promoting defeatist propaganda

    That’s ironic. The truth is not propaganda.

    but you’re also implying that patriotic Ukrainians have violent tendencies

    This is nothing unique to Ukrainians. It’s part of the mob mentality and instinctual responses that take hold when nations are at war, similar to how you’re lying about me spreading propaganda when I’m just telling the truth.

    Promoting “peace in our time” that only leads to another war later

    I guess if you have a crystal ball, then sure. What exactly do you think Russian control of Ukraine would look like? Do you think Russians would treat Ukrainians different from their own citizens?

    • angrystego@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      We know they would treat Ukrainians terribly because we know what happened in the regions captured by them.

    • Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      3 days ago

      The truth is not propaganda

      While I have my opinion and you have yours, Zelensky’s popular support increasing to an even greater majority than before, not decreasing, after his defense of Ukrainian sovereignty during his visit to the White House, is telling of Ukrainian support for the continued defense of their sovereignty from Russian invaders.

      when I’m just telling the truth Again, you have your opinion and I have mine, the difference is that like propaganda outlets such as Fox News and Newsmax, you’re pulling far-right, anti-democratic claims out of a hat and giving no reliable proof to show for it.

      What exactly do you think Russian control of Ukraine would look like?

      Russia has already kidnapped thousands of Ukrainian children, covered up the torturing of murder of Ukrainian civilians, needlessly targeted Ukrainian civilian infrastructure, and claimed that the Ukrainian identity is a fabricated offshoot off being Russian. With such contempt for the linguistic, cultural, and self-deterministic rights of the Ukrainian people, anyone who for a second believes that Russia would allow for free and fair elections in Ukraine when it already targets political opponents, LGBTQ+ rights, and freedom of speech is either naive or intentionally deceitful.

      • commander@lemmings.worldOPEnglish
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        3 days ago

        Support for Zelensky isn’t the same as support for the war. Kyiv independent also doesn’t scream “impartial news source” to me. I could be wrong.

        I agree that Russia will likely not allow fair elections or freedom of speech if they take over Ukraine, similar to how they’re not allowed in Russia now.

    • supernight52@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      Do you think Russians would treat Ukrainians different from their own citizens?

      Nope, and Russian citizens aren’t exactly treated well. That’s kind of partly why they don’t want Russians to be in control. Because they suck at every level.