This is a conversation that went into a different direction and is in no way related to the RT article.
If someone uses RFE, VOA or any other one of those pure propaganda tools that as a source I certainly am going to question them.
There is no reason why I shouldn’t.
I’m supposed to read Romanian now? Did you have too many Ursus or palinka? The only one not in Romanian is the garbage and biased western source AP.
Even that says: “suspected of” and “allegedly”.
The normal tactics to throw accusations WITHOUT any PROOF.
When you’re going to make claims you need proof, not this BS.
This is just made up shit to justify their illegal actions of not honoring the election result by the US puppets.
And there certainly isn’t an ‘admission’
Hi, sorry to butt in on this thread, but this part almost feels malicious:
I’m supposed to read Romanian now?
Especially in an age of automatic translation, this sentence just broadcasts ill intent. While you cannot know what allegances that specific Romanian outlet has, it feels strangely biased you doing all this under a Russia Today article. Also those jabs, man. ‘Did you drink too much?’
Yes, you are supposed to read Romanian if you’re arguing with a Romanian about events happening in their own country.
The made up shit I see so far in this thread is handwaving dismissal of sources without any back up whatsoever. What sources do you present that contradicts what I claimed so far, aside from laughing at sources dismissively?
That is how you reason and make an argument.
Now admit it was the liberals, that they shamelessly blamed the Russians and your vasal state illegaly corrupted the elections.
The proof you provided, I never denied. I am painfully well aware of the liberal psy-op.
My claim: Kremlin agents supported a fascist nationalist group (that also consider Georgescu the real president) called “Vlad Tepes” in a plan to overthrow the government. This is still not refuted by anyone. The only sources I found in English you dismissed out of hand, while the investigation in Romania is still ongoing.
. This is still not refuted by anyone. The only sources
We certainly are talking past eachother.
There is no use if you take claims, allegations and suspicions, which is the only thing your article provides as a source.
Speculations and proof are not the same.
Nobody needs to answer to baseless accusations, certainly not believe them.
When that investigation is still going on you certainly can not say anything is proof.
Kremlin agents supported a fascist nationalist group (that also consider Georgescu the real president) called “Vlad Tepes” in a plan to overthrow the government
I’m sorry but that sounds like a wild made up conspiracy theory.
The same tactics they tried with the Trump-Steele dossier, also based on nothing, with the only purpose to slander him as a Russian asset, even more ridiculous than your claim.
These tactics unfortunately work sometimes.
You should learn to be carefull and investigate everything and find sources for everything.
I will end it here.
I hope you don’t get a fascist, and certainly not a US puppet as is the case now.
The US regime is planning to build a huge base there and if you’re not careful you might be played by them and thrown to the lions.
They are not there to help you or protect you despite what they say.
I have Romanian friends, very nice people.
The country and food is nice too.
Don’t want to see it destroyed for the benefit of these assholes.
Thanks for listening, and dissagreeing without arguing or insults.
Have a good night.
Once the investigation comes to a close, I hope you don’t mind if I drop a more fact based source here, if I don’t forget, and if one will exist in English.
From the current Romanian reports, some facts emerged that are no longer allegations, like the 2 Russian agents being kicked out of the country and the leaked conversations between them and leaders of the “Vlad Tepes” group, main reason for their expulsion.
Thank you for taking your time with this random thread, in any case. And for your willingness to meet me on middle ground. Truth needs to prevail.
Radio Free Europe?
I’m just not going to comment and let everyone laugh at your source.
You really gonna call sources into question on an RT thread?? Would I be going too far as stating RT is to Russia what RFE is to the US??
This is a conversation that went into a different direction and is in no way related to the RT article.
If someone uses RFE, VOA or any other one of those pure propaganda tools that as a source I certainly am going to question them.
There is no reason why I shouldn’t.
AP news: https://apnews.com/article/romania-russia-treason-coup-plot-detain-diicot-437213648450f20031f76b53266ce50c
Wiki in Romanian about the group https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comandamentul_Vlad_Țepeș
Some more Romanian sources: https://newsweek.ro/actualitate/doi-membri-ai-gruparii-vlad-tepes-arestati-alti-patru-lasati-acasa-sub-control-judiciar
https://www.gandul.ro/actualitate/negocierile-dintre-membrii-gruparii-comandamentul-vlad-tepes-si-moscova-in-mai-o-sa-porneasca-agitatie-ce-s-a-vorbit-despre-calin-georgescu-20458493
https://www.stiripesurse.ro/ce-este-si-cand-a-fost-infiintat-comandamentul-vlad-tepes-condus-de-general-in-varsta-de-101-ani-cum-arata-planul-de-reorganizare-al-lui-radu-theodoru_3604855.html
Discredit those too, please
And then, discredit their own admission of the facts while you’re at it: https://www.stiripesurse.ro/prosecutors-release-report-on-getia-treason-case-intercepted-conversation-excerpts-included_3605815.html
I certainly will.
I’m supposed to read Romanian now? Did you have too many Ursus or palinka? The only one not in Romanian is the garbage and biased western source AP.
Even that says: “suspected of” and “allegedly”.
The normal tactics to throw accusations WITHOUT any PROOF.
When you’re going to make claims you need proof, not this BS.
This is just made up shit to justify their illegal actions of not honoring the election result by the US puppets.
And there certainly isn’t an ‘admission’
Hi, sorry to butt in on this thread, but this part almost feels malicious:
Especially in an age of automatic translation, this sentence just broadcasts ill intent. While you cannot know what allegances that specific Romanian outlet has, it feels strangely biased you doing all this under a Russia Today article. Also those jabs, man. ‘Did you drink too much?’
Yes, you are supposed to read Romanian if you’re arguing with a Romanian about events happening in their own country.
The made up shit I see so far in this thread is handwaving dismissal of sources without any back up whatsoever. What sources do you present that contradicts what I claimed so far, aside from laughing at sources dismissively?
Again you have no sources, just allegations.
Sources prove stuff, if not it’s worthless
This is how you do it:
https://www.politico.eu/article/investigation-ties-romanian-liberals-tiktok-campaign-pro-russia-candidate-calin-georgescu/
“The center-right Romanian National Liberal Party paid for a campaign” etc, notice that there’s no alledgedly or suspected?
It gives details
who specifically did it: PNL-employee firm, Kensington Communication
how they did it: The firm paid 130 influencers co-opted on the FameUp platform
All backed up by a declassified document of the CSAT and in a report of the Expert Forum.
https://www.presidency.ro/files/userfiles/Documente CSAT/Document CSAT MAI.pdf
That is how you reason and make an argument.
Now admit it was the liberals, that they shamelessly blamed the Russians and your vasal state illegaly corrupted the elections.
We may be arguing past each other.
The proof you provided, I never denied. I am painfully well aware of the liberal psy-op.
My claim: Kremlin agents supported a fascist nationalist group (that also consider Georgescu the real president) called “Vlad Tepes” in a plan to overthrow the government. This is still not refuted by anyone. The only sources I found in English you dismissed out of hand, while the investigation in Romania is still ongoing.
We certainly are talking past eachother.
There is no use if you take claims, allegations and suspicions, which is the only thing your article provides as a source.
Speculations and proof are not the same.
Nobody needs to answer to baseless accusations, certainly not believe them.
When that investigation is still going on you certainly can not say anything is proof.
I’m sorry but that sounds like a wild made up conspiracy theory.
The same tactics they tried with the Trump-Steele dossier, also based on nothing, with the only purpose to slander him as a Russian asset, even more ridiculous than your claim.
These tactics unfortunately work sometimes.
You should learn to be carefull and investigate everything and find sources for everything.
I will end it here.
I hope you don’t get a fascist, and certainly not a US puppet as is the case now.
The US regime is planning to build a huge base there and if you’re not careful you might be played by them and thrown to the lions.
They are not there to help you or protect you despite what they say.
I have Romanian friends, very nice people.
The country and food is nice too.
Don’t want to see it destroyed for the benefit of these assholes.
Thanks for listening, and dissagreeing without arguing or insults.
Have a good night.
Once the investigation comes to a close, I hope you don’t mind if I drop a more fact based source here, if I don’t forget, and if one will exist in English.
From the current Romanian reports, some facts emerged that are no longer allegations, like the 2 Russian agents being kicked out of the country and the leaked conversations between them and leaders of the “Vlad Tepes” group, main reason for their expulsion.
Thank you for taking your time with this random thread, in any case. And for your willingness to meet me on middle ground. Truth needs to prevail.