What’s baffling? They’re crackpots and charlatans. They feel no obligation to tell the truth or to even make sense.
Strong suspicion that this whole trend has been beef industry influenced and or funded. Especially since they quite often decide to tout beef tallow (somehow as “healthy”) instead of a non-seed based oil like olive oil, avocado oil, etc.
For some context of the other things the beef industry has done before:
Using checkoff money, NCBA [National Cattlemen’s Beef Association] has developed what it has called a “Digital Command Center” – a sophisticated online monitoring system that tracks media outlets and social media for more than 200 beef-related topics. Hosted in Denver in a space that “looks like a military operations center combined with the TV section at an electronics retailer”, according to a recent Cattlemen’s Beef Board mailer sent to ranchers, the command center alerts members of NCBA’s issues management and media relations team whenever stories or online chatter rise above a certain threshold. It’s staffed 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, with personnel redundancies built in to make sure someone’s always watching.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-industry-public-relations-messaging-machine
Agree with this but for full disclosure I am vegan. I think though there is at least some beef industry money behind the “anti seed money, carnivore diet, eat raw meat until your body expels cholesterol”
That was my first thought too. No grand conspiracy or personal mission here, just basic corruption by some of the shittiest people.
They bitch about the Hexane, which boils off at 69C, 156F. Sooooo… if you’re frying your chicken at 155F not only are you doing it wrong you’re possibly leaving Hexane in the final product.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexane
These are the same people who slow cook turkeys at 120F
How much hexane do you think is in oil you buy off the shelf
Tell them it comes from rape and they’ll suddenly be touting it.
I’m pretty certain they already consider canola oil in the bad™ group.
That’s because Canada.
Well don’t dump it! Burn it for fuel at least! If you’re goanna be retarded at least be a smart retarded asshole!
I still think avacado oil and evoo are preferable, but budget always has the final say.
Genuinely curious, why? I’ve been meaning to understand where this idea comes from. Or do you just mean preferable as in you prefer their taste or something like that?
When I deep fried I used peanut oil, but it aggravated aches and pains. Then I got an air fryer and that changed everything. I don’t have a problem with evoo scorching. Avocado oil is hard for me to obtain without my own ride, not has a pretty neutral taste. I like evoo flavor, a lot. If I pan cook steak or chops, I just use evoo, butter, or a blend.
Let me be clear that I’m no fan of RFK, anti-vaxxers, or any fad diets. I am a fan of evidence-based nutrition and practicing moderation. I believe that a varied diet with lower-processed foods is best for most people.
Avocado and EVOO are much less processed, which is generally preferable to more highly refined ingredients. Refining removes a lot of nutrients and concentrates what’s left. That means you need a lot less of it to influence the balance of things within your body. It doesn’t make highly refined oils “bad”, but it does make watching your intake of them more important.
Specifically about the oils, seed oils are high in omega-6 and low in omega-3. Your body needs both and it cannot produce them. The issue comes from the fact that the average American diet has a stark imbalance of way too much 6 and not enough 3. Refined oils provide a lot of 6 but 3 is harder to come by. Getting a good amount of 3 means eating oily fish and nuts, and choosing more balanced oils for a more balanced diet.
The ideal omega-6 to omega-3 ratio is 2:1 or 1:1, but for most people in the U.S., the ratio is actually a whopping 10:1 or even 20:1.
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actually-toxic
Yeah, they’ve been going on about this for a while.
You’re right, “food influencers” and the “Manosphere” at large have been spouting nonsense about plant oils for a long time. That realm is rife with pseudoscience from people who think you don’t eat enough meat and that eating vegetables makes you weak. They try to sell strength to people by speaking confidently about being strong while also making shit up and lying about it.
I’ll never forget a phrase I heard about a certain type that loves to work out and talk about it with almost everyone to the exclusion of nearly anything else, and has turned to some way of trying to profit from that. Some times they might become a trainer or an influencer or sell supplements or what have you. Nothing wrong with those things in themselves so much, but it’s when they make the leap from their anecdotal experiences to thinking they have any credentials in nutrition or being an MD, etc…
That phrase was “bro science”.
Having worked for a company once that was FILLED with this type due to the industry we were in, I wish so very much I could go back in time with that phrase. Holy shit. I found them laughable and that’s BEFORE I became fully vegetarian. The amount of unsolicited stupid “advice” I got, involving basic nutrition that they were wrong about was off the charts.
Anyway, later on, I became vegetarian and wow, I sure have had my fill of “bro science” when it comes to what I eat. Favorite starter is: “but where do you get your protein?” Holeeeeee fuck.
Yeah when I was young most the weird anti vegetarian talking points that got thrown at me endlessly were things like ‘but if you were on an island without vegetation you’d have to eat meat’ but there was a point where it switched to bad nutrition ‘you can’t get protein from vegetables!’
I would point out that since I’ve never eaten meat and am healthy and strong that’s obviously not true and so they’d revert back to innane stuff like ‘mice and foxes get killed during harvesting’ or ‘plants can feel pain too’
Now though it’s evolved into weird alpha male podcast drivel, I hear stuff like ‘beans make you feminine’ and ‘we need beef protein to create masculine hormones’ and it’s always backed by complex jargon from people speaking like doctors but who can’t answer basic biology questions like what do the kidneys do.
Yeah, I get lots of weird nonsense what-if scenarios, too. In this case from adults that have been living decades in a modern society, they imagine some kind of apocalyptic scenario is just around the corner where I’ll be somehow forced to eat meat? My reaction is usually “uh, sure, I guess, but first of all I didn’t sign some suicide pact with myself, and secondly, I’m sure that dietary restrictions will take a back seat in such stark scenarios…”
Comment my wife got from an associate when she was trying to pick out something to eat at dinner, and asking the server some questions - this person says: “I don’t know what you guys are going to do when the apocalypse comes”. This was in 2024, no joke. I’m always curious how omnivores think they’ll just suddenly take to living off the land because they currently eat meat? Like they will be hunting deer in the suburbs? As someone that has seen several “back to the land” hippie communes fail - as a child - I cannot help but laugh at their hubris.
