• Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    10 days ago

    The good thing about all this is that once Trump is done, and one day he will be done, the next guy who follows can finally build something good from the ground up

    Chabging how American elections work, for example, has always been impossible. After this shit show, the pieces that are left will be broken enough to rebuild something good

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      10 days ago

      Americans will NEVER accept more than two parties.

      Sadly it’s what you need so that the whole country won’t flip-flop every 4 years. One 10-15 congressman party who the major parties need to make concessions to

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          10 days ago

          I think no more than two parties would dominate, even in a ranked choice system. But they would evolve more representatively: party platforms are shaped by issue polling, with the ballot box being both the ultimate poll but also obscure on what exactly the detailed driving issues are.

          Ranked choice voting would give single-issue parties a real seat at the ballot box, and enable the two big parties to more accurately adjust their platforms to target voters who first-choiced a little party and second-choiced one of the big ones.

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            9 days ago

            Right now they don’t have more than two parties not because they don’t want to but basically because they can’t.

            Once that would be possible watch everyone vote for who they actually want to vote for. Within no time you’d be seeing dozens of parties pop up

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                3 days ago

                The Netherlands always had 10-20 parties.

                Maybe Australia should simply push for more parties…more choice is always better

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    11 days ago

    This is not fact checking. This is gaslighting. The fact that the USA has been supporting dictators for decades does not change or alter what Bernie is saying.

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      11 days ago

      Supporting manufacturing war against Russia without regards to their security concerns, or talking to them, may have been a necessity in loyalty to Biden. Keeping up the charade is definitely not progressive.

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        11 days ago

        Stop drinking the Russian kool aid. This has literally been the Russian gameplan since they knew they couldn’t beat us in a hot war. Psy-ops to turn us anti-globalist is almost literally verbatim the whole plan.

        You can accept that the US has done some shady shit that needs to be criticized and not forgotten about, without totally dumping liberal democracy and spewing straight Russian propaganda

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          11 days ago

          Russian kool aid

          It is understandable to be pro-war and a total warmonger because growing up in the United States, all the propaganda we hear and are taught since we are born is done to make us not question or critically think about our imperialist ways.

          Growing up and learning the non-propaganda history and other views should shift you away from US military propaganda of liking forever wars and the blind nationalism of bringing “democracy” to Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, Europe, and Asia.

          shady shit

          That is a major downplaying and rewriting of the true history of our country.

          Here is a small example of what we do to other countries and the only reason we know about this is due to it being leaked by great people: https://lemmy.world/post/15002828

          I suggest reading up on the military leaks and many more independent journalists, fewer legacy media viewpoints; the major ones are Julian Assange and Edward Snowden leaks.

          Russian propaganda

          You do know that people can come to the same conclusion without needing others to tell us what to think or being tricked into seeing the world a certain way…

          I suggest learning about the Uhuru Three and the Uhuru Movement: https://lemmy.world/post/23366029

          I got reminded of a song: dead prez - They School | https://lemmy.world/post/26450948

  • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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    10 days ago

    To fact check the fact check: There doesn’t seem to be a list of “dictatorships” on the Freedom house website. Interesting that they’re missing a link to that source isn’t it? Their point hinges on a listing from some website I’ve never heard of and they don’t link to it? A little sus.

    Freedom house does have a listing of countries that are “free”, “not free”, and “partly free” here: https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores

    Note that Israel is considered a free country, and Gaza and the West Bank are listed as “not free”. So the methodology of used by the fact checker would consider providing aid to countries like Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey would count against the US while giving aid to Israel would be a positive. Providing aid to Palestine would be a double negative as the West Bank and Gaza are counted separately.

    Also note that Ukraine is listed as “Partly Free” so I’m not sure whether the fact-checker is labeling Ukraine as a “dicatorship”. Trump called Zelenskyy a dictator, so who knows?

    Seems to me the fact checker was just cooking the books to promote a narrative that what Trump is doing is the status quo. Trump is surrendering to a dictatorship that’s a threat to a great many democracies. It’s not at all comparable to providing aid to a country that has shitty leaders, but shitty leaders that will fight against ISIS and/or al Qadea. If those groups were successful it would not increase freedom in they countries they exist in.

    And who knows who the fact-checker is? Elon Musk controls everything on that site.

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    11 days ago

    “Technically, the United States didn’t get bad, it’s always been bad! It only got worse!” isn’t the flex a lot of leftists think it is.

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      11 days ago

      What’s wrong with the message “We should be doing better, not worse”?

      Seems preferable to the “hurt people who also want the things I have” that seems the core of conservatism.

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        What’s wrong with it is it’s normalizing Donald Trump. Like, actually pointing at Trump and saying “this is normal.” US democracy is on life support, and calling this business-as-usual is like telling people there’s nothing to see here while he yanks and tugs on the plug.

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          I’m not sure I understand.

          Saying “We can do better than Trump/Fascism/Corruption/Kleptocracy” seems far from normalising the current state?

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            Saying we can do better than trump/fascism is not what the OP is implying. The op is implying what were are doing now is the same as what we have done before. We can acknowledge that we’ve done bad before, but now it’s for sure way worse. I agree with Bernie that now is way worse than before

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    Obama’s human rights record is abysmal. Sure he did a lot of good things too, but not closing Guantanamo, ramping up drone strikes etc negate all of that good. I’ve written him a couple of letters with all of this in detail to which he has yet to respond (no surprise). Instead he’s doing voice over work for shitty documentaries on Netflix.

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      Obama hasn’t been president for nearly a decade.

      And there are a lot of things to criticize him about, but he legitimately tried to close Guantanamo, and was blocked by Republicans (and possibly some Democrats?) over and over.

  • Freedom House doesn’t label places as “dictatorships.” So this is suspect right off the bat. They use a “freedom index.”

    No doubt the figure from 2015 includes significant support and training to Afghanistan, labeled with a score of 6 out of 100. Does that count as supporting a dictatorship? No.

    If we sell weapons to the Saudis to fight Iranian creep, is that supporting dictatorship? Maybe a little. No question of Iran and Saudi, Iran is a much less free and much worse dictatorship. Sometimes that’s just how progress looks.

    This “fact check” is at best highly misleading, bordering on false.