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An Israeli high school student was arrested and questioned by police for doing a Nazi salute during a school trip to Auschwitz, Israeli media reported on Sunday.
The teenager from Kiryat Bialik was on his school’s field trip to Poland when he did the gesture under the entrance sign to the camp.
He was questioned for two hours by Polish police and was fined approximately NIS 1,500 after security guards observed him performing the salute. The museum also captured the incident on its security cameras; the footage was handed over to the police.
Polish police charged him with promoting Nazism, local media reported. Performing a seig heil is illegal in Poland, and carries a potential sentence of up to two years in prison.
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“Hey look! I’m on the news!”
Well, better a stupid teenager than a stupid adult. There is hope. Not much, but a little at least.
Not even knowing (your) history… his parents must be so proud!
The moron would fit in with the Government of Putin and Hitler was part Jewish.
Edge Lord asked for that
Fuck Israel
why is this in ‘not the onion’? just nazis being nazis. whose fucking idea was it to take a literal fucking nazi on a tour of auschwitz anyway?
Personally knowing some young Israeli’s.
A lot of them don’t take the holocaust very seriously and tend to joke about it a lot, (maybe it’s a coping mechanism)? In any case, this is probably a case of an edgy high schooler trying to make their friends laugh.
More like they deminish it so its not a big deal so they can execute Holocaust 2.0 Palestinian Boogaloo.
could be a coping mechanism
it’s not. it’s just a nazi do’in nazi shit.
It makes sense, essentially by remaining oblivious and reductive about one act you can then allow yourself to also be blind to your own current amoral actions. Essentially it’s easier to stay dense than it is to actually face the reality you are a part of.
It’s not that deep. Lots of teenagers do edgy stuff just because it’s edgy and not allowed.
He’ll look back in 10 years cringing about himself.
zionists do not regret being nazis. they just do more nazi shit.
The world is not that black and white my dude, go outside sometimes
It’s not that deep. Lots of teenagers do edgy stuff just because it’s edgy and not allowed.
Thank goodness we can arrest them for it. Imagine the objective harm & deprivation of rights or peaceful access to opportunities or resources that teenage edginess causes to society. Right?
Could be a coping mechanism. If they took it seriously they would probably have to reflect about the similarities between the Nazis and Israel.
Fuck around and find out
I understand Nazis are an enemy of the state. But this is a bit too far, a warning is enough.
Performing a seig heil is illegal in Poland, and carries a potential sentence of up to two years in prison.
Just a fine is a warning.
No. Glad they found out.
Fuck nazis. The atrocities they performed… what this kid did… should be death penalty. Yes I’m being serious. This world has no room for nazi bullshit. The only good nazi is a dead one
So a repeat offender who collects Nazi trash should just get a slap on the wrist and be ignored? We here in Austria do it well. First you get a fine and if you do it again you’re going to prison. Exactly where Nazis belong.
Oh was he a repeat offender? If he was, then the punishment was justified.
Performing a seig heil is illegal in Poland, and carries a potential sentence of up to two years in prison.
What the fuck. I feel like this does more harm than good.
Why?
Streisand Effect + others
I’ve been tempted to give a Nazi solute when a police officer was trying to illegally force me to give ID when I hadn’t done anything wrong and they knew it and didn’t even claim to suspect me of a crime. It’s an ironic or protest solute, but a photo of me doing it would look bad, which is why I haven’t. Fuck authoritarianism.
I’ve been tempted to give a Nazi solute
Uhh… okay?
Fines and jail time is too much I think. I’d vote for a thorough reprimand and maybe cleaning the grounds from trash instead.
Are they sending their youth to teach them how to deal with Palestinians?
no, they already know that. they can learn from anyone around them. they go to auschwitz to learn the proudest traditions of their people, and why they can never be allowed to fail (at exterminating the brutes) again.
No need to put a stupid teenager in prison for a longer time for being stupid, but: A day or two behind bars on top of the fine might have had a better educational effect.
Could easily see this radicalizing him if he isn’t already.
It’s easy to make dumb edgy jokes as a teenager without actually believing whatever you’re joking about.
Humiliating this kid like this is really just trying to make an example out of him rather than solving any problem or helping him in any way.
This could’ve easily been solved by the teacher taking him aside and explaining to him why that’s not acceptable. If he keeps doing it after being warned, then it’s fine to escalate.
If you go there and don’t already know what’s going on you failed yourself already. Stupidity does not protect against punishment.
Stupidity does not protect against punishment.
It is for children.
Put him in the middle of Gaza with no help and see how funny he finds himself.
Are you suggesting something bad would happen to a teenage Israeli student if he happened to be in the middle of Gaza with no help? Curious.
Not per se, bit he’d have a more poignant look at persecution and extermination of people. If historical evidence falls to impress him maybe direct confrontation with violence might connect to his synapses
I took it as “Put him, alone, in the middle of people his country is currently genociding so so he can see the horrors of Genocide, the kind his own people once faced. This should reframe why his Nazi salute was a poor decision.” But I can see how it can be interpreted the other way by looking at the “with no help” part.
He didn’t do it on accident and was fully aware of what he was doing and where he was doing it. Lock that scum up I say.
You must be new to the world or just lacking experience in your adult life.
I guess you’ve never seen young people support bad guys specifically because it’s provocative. They don’t know any better and to assume that this kid wants a nazi regime because he did a hitler salute is asinine.
I could see him finding real support now among those who do want a nazi regime because of how he was treated by us. We should be compassionate with these kids instead of trying to beat them into submission.
If they’re doing it to be provocative, then they know exactly what they’re doing and why it’s bad. No sympathy for Nazi supporters or those who make light of Nazi atrocities. This kid deserves the punishment.
You’re free to think that, but I respectfully disagree.
If he kept doing it, sure. But taking him aside and talking to him could be more effective and less damaging than getting the authorities involved and humiliating him to “prove a point.”
Show him that we’re on the same side. If we treat him like an enemy when he really isn’t one, he very well may become one.
Less damaging to whom? To the kid who did a Nazi salute? Sure, definitely. How about to society? Tolerance for Nazis and Nazi symbology only emboldens Nazis and weakens everyone else. Especially in these times when fascists control the most powerful country on Earth.
You’re not tolerating it by taking him aside, explaining to him why it’s not acceptable even as a joke, and warning him not to do it again.
But the thing is, this is a 17 year student from Israel. Shouldn’t they already know how serious a Nazi salute is? A fine like this teen got is an absolutely acceptable punishment that will either a) teach him not to be such a dumbass, or b) that his shitty beliefs are not tolerated.
This is an idiotic teenager and should have no bearing on your opinion of Israel. (I shouldn’t have to say this, but if I don’t somebody will m’accuse: please note that I’m not defending Israel.)
and should have no bearing on your opinion of Israel
The behavior of people from a place actually should impact your opinion on that place
Had it been an American there’d either be no comment like yours or it would have been massively downvoted, food for thought
If it had been an American teenager, I doubt there would have been an article posted at all. But if there had been, I doubt such a comment would be downvoted.
I feel like a similar proportion of teenagers from Israel and America are idiots like this one. I remember many teenagers from my highschool (Canada) who would be this kind of dumb. Based on this, I don’t see why people would react differently to my comment, though maybe it’d come across different if the reader is American, not sure. (I think I’d make the same inference about Canadian high schooler as another country’s though.)
…that said, I do agree with you. I have noticed for instance that Japanese high schoolers in public seem to be incredibly polite compared to Canadian ones. You can make a small inference perhaps about the high schools from a country based on a single point of data like this. But – I don’t think this really says very much about the disposition toward Nazism (of the original German trappings) in the general Israeli public.
