I struggle with the conversations here because there are people who believe that even if 1% are innocent, it’s not okay without due process on each of these individuals even it means prolonged deaths of innocents. And the other side cites real progress and approval by the government.
In my opinion, both points are true. It is definitely wrong and its definitely ripe for even further abuse, but at the same time, it saved the country. And it’s easy to criticize when I’m 1000s of miles away and not going through the fear of death, extortion or rape everyday.
I do hope there is follow-up due process at least and they work to demilitarize the state as a whole over time.
fixing things is messy and sometimes, even your enemies can deliver improvements. i’m not so mired in politics i can’t see objectively. i still think the administration should be toppled by any means necessary if we want to truly save america from eternal dystopia.
I’m inclined to ask you to re-read your comment because I really can’t make sense of it.
The first paragraph doesn’t make much sense at all given how it is written. In the second you say “it saved the country,” and if you’re trying to say that forcefully deporting people out of America without reason or due process “saved the country” you’re 100% going to have cite a source, or at least give a reason for why you think that’s true.
I think in the first paragraph, he meant El Salvador. Said country had huge gang violence problem which Bukele improved, but at the cost of severe human rights violation.
I get what he’s saying, but he added like no context so everyone is confused (including him because he seems to not realize the OP is about Trump)
The president of El Salvador is famous for taking a “hard stance” on gangs, by basically doing the same thing Trump is doing. He rounded up thousands of suspected gang members and threw them into forced labor camps without any kind of due process. That’s why Trump is sending these immigrants to El Salvador, because the president is a vicious dictator who doesn’t care about human rights.
It has been a massive scandal for a while in LatAm news, but it’s the same tired old strongman bullshit you see in many places in South/Central America (and now in the north too!). Effective propaganda and control over the military means the problem won’t be solved without foreign intervention and/or a spontaneous combustion event involving government leaders.
I struggle with the conversations here because there are people who believe that even if 1% are innocent, it’s not okay without due process on each of these individuals even it means prolonged deaths of innocents. And the other side cites real progress and approval by the government.
In my opinion, both points are true. It is definitely wrong and its definitely ripe for even further abuse, but at the same time, it saved the country. And it’s easy to criticize when I’m 1000s of miles away and not going through the fear of death, extortion or rape everyday.
I do hope there is follow-up due process at least and they work to demilitarize the state as a whole over time.
Some of you may die, which is a sacrifice, I’m willing to make.
Are you defending the pic on the left or the right? Or both?
i think you make some nuanced points.
fixing things is messy and sometimes, even your enemies can deliver improvements. i’m not so mired in politics i can’t see objectively. i still think the administration should be toppled by any means necessary if we want to truly save america from eternal dystopia.
Those are send by Trump without any sort of trial. Nothing to do with El Salvador cracking down hard on gangs.
I’m inclined to ask you to re-read your comment because I really can’t make sense of it.
The first paragraph doesn’t make much sense at all given how it is written. In the second you say “it saved the country,” and if you’re trying to say that forcefully deporting people out of America without reason or due process “saved the country” you’re 100% going to have cite a source, or at least give a reason for why you think that’s true.
I think in the first paragraph, he meant El Salvador. Said country had huge gang violence problem which Bukele improved, but at the cost of severe human rights violation.
I get what he’s saying, but he added like no context so everyone is confused (including him because he seems to not realize the OP is about Trump)
The president of El Salvador is famous for taking a “hard stance” on gangs, by basically doing the same thing Trump is doing. He rounded up thousands of suspected gang members and threw them into forced labor camps without any kind of due process. That’s why Trump is sending these immigrants to El Salvador, because the president is a vicious dictator who doesn’t care about human rights.
It has been a massive scandal for a while in LatAm news, but it’s the same tired old strongman bullshit you see in many places in South/Central America (and now in the north too!). Effective propaganda and control over the military means the problem won’t be solved without foreign intervention and/or a spontaneous combustion event involving government leaders.