I’m getting a bit tired of leftists fighting over differences in messaging. Hasan’s framing around Palestine has always been that there is currently 1 state (isntrael) because the isntraelis rule over all of Palestine. Therefore his demands are for Palestinians to get equal rights in addition to the right to return to their ancestral home and that all war criminals get put to justice. This means the destruction of isntrael, because it would make the Palestinians a majority who can decide over their own land (including its name and flag). Hasan says that latter part often enough that it’s ridiculous to pretend that he wants to preserve isntrael.
He’s just using a different messaging strategy. You can (and should) scrutinise his messaging strategy, but you’re just making things up if you imply that he’s not on our side on Palestine.
This isn’t so much a difference in messaging as much as it is your internet hero being a liberal zionist. At the end of the day, sentiments like these are simply liberal zionist diatribes. There is no such thing as an Israel without apartheid. There must be a red line somewhere, and that red line is supporting the existence of an ethnostate. If this counts as “anti-zionist” then the word has lost all meaning in common parlance. Zionists support the existence of the ethnostate, while anti-zionists are against it. If you’re not willing to enforce that red line, then you may as well go join the Democratic Party and hang about with your fellow spineless liberals.
You think a socdem endorsing graham platner, Ro Khanna, and Brad Landers is an ally to Palestine? The fight agency shill who is trying to normalize israelis as victims and misunderstood, I quote, “There’s hella Israeli Hasanabiheads;” is an ally to the Palestinian cause?
Personally it seems indicative of a potential parasocial attachment to Hasan.
Judging by the downvotes without any rebuttal it seems we got a couple of succdems lurking in our community. Don’t think we don’t know how to weed 'em out
2 objects cannot occupy the same space. israel’s existance is predicated on the destruction of Palestine. There is no peace to be had with zionists. They see all non-zionists as sub human and will not honor a deal with sub-humans. Ethostates are incapable of existing in peace.
israel must be destroyed just as the the third reich was. (only more because clearly the third reich isn’t as destroyed enough.)
There is no “messaging strategy” here what he is saying is capitulation to imperialism.
I’m getting a bit tired of leftists fighting over differences in messaging
Me too, and I think that all these self-proclaimed MLs just succumbed to another cultural war. They were fooled into thinking that only pure intentions/actions are worthy, and any compromise is liberal betrayal. I guess they don’t understand materialism after all.
It is quite obvious that Israel would just cease to exist if Palestinians had equal political rights, but for these “MLs” doesn’t matter, they just want to post the “fell for it again” meme one more time.
“israel would cease to exist if Palestinians had equal political rights”
Yeah sure just like how South Africa is a perfect post-colonial paradise? You claim to be a materialist but you contradict yourself in your very own post.
We arent “leftists” we are Marxist-Leninists. We read and we critique each other to better ourselves. His messaging “strategy” is a Fight Agency partnership to sheepdog people into the democratic party.
I’m getting a bit tired of leftists fighting over differences in messaging. Hasan’s framing around Palestine has always been that there is currently 1 state (isntrael) because the isntraelis rule over all of Palestine. Therefore his demands are for Palestinians to get equal rights in addition to the right to return to their ancestral home and that all war criminals get put to justice. This means the destruction of isntrael, because it would make the Palestinians a majority who can decide over their own land (including its name and flag). Hasan says that latter part often enough that it’s ridiculous to pretend that he wants to preserve isntrael.
He’s just using a different messaging strategy. You can (and should) scrutinise his messaging strategy, but you’re just making things up if you imply that he’s not on our side on Palestine.
This isn’t so much a difference in messaging as much as it is your internet hero being a liberal zionist. At the end of the day, sentiments like these are simply liberal zionist diatribes. There is no such thing as an Israel without apartheid. There must be a red line somewhere, and that red line is supporting the existence of an ethnostate. If this counts as “anti-zionist” then the word has lost all meaning in common parlance. Zionists support the existence of the ethnostate, while anti-zionists are against it. If you’re not willing to enforce that red line, then you may as well go join the Democratic Party and hang about with your fellow spineless liberals.
You think a socdem endorsing graham platner, Ro Khanna, and Brad Landers is an ally to Palestine? The fight agency shill who is trying to normalize israelis as victims and misunderstood, I quote, “There’s hella Israeli Hasanabiheads;” is an ally to the Palestinian cause? Personally it seems indicative of a potential parasocial attachment to Hasan.
Judging by the downvotes without any rebuttal it seems we got a couple of succdems lurking in our community. Don’t think we don’t know how to weed 'em out
2 objects cannot occupy the same space. israel’s existance is predicated on the destruction of Palestine. There is no peace to be had with zionists. They see all non-zionists as sub human and will not honor a deal with sub-humans. Ethostates are incapable of existing in peace.
israel must be destroyed just as the the third reich was. (only more because clearly the third reich isn’t as destroyed enough.)
There is no “messaging strategy” here what he is saying is capitulation to imperialism.
I don’t think you read my comment
Me too, and I think that all these self-proclaimed MLs just succumbed to another cultural war. They were fooled into thinking that only pure intentions/actions are worthy, and any compromise is liberal betrayal. I guess they don’t understand materialism after all.
It is quite obvious that Israel would just cease to exist if Palestinians had equal political rights, but for these “MLs” doesn’t matter, they just want to post the “fell for it again” meme one more time.
sounding fed much?
“israel would cease to exist if Palestinians had equal political rights”
Yeah sure just like how South Africa is a perfect post-colonial paradise? You claim to be a materialist but you contradict yourself in your very own post.
Got me in the first half.
We arent “leftists” we are Marxist-Leninists. We read and we critique each other to better ourselves. His messaging “strategy” is a Fight Agency partnership to sheepdog people into the democratic party.