More have defederated from us than we have defederated from. People here tend not to tolerate racism, bigotry or typical fascist rhetoric. Tearing down or sharing articles tearing down typical neoliberal narratives tends to attract attention from the typical “China bad, Ukraine good” groups which encompass a wide, wide circle for some “strange” reason.
I’m curious on why you’re banned from so many socialist subreddits.
👀 you’re pro china and pro Palestine, but you’re aware that China is against Islam and Muslims in Europe are quite against China (ulghur thing) and heavily pro Palestine?
My Turkish diaspora coworker won’t even buy anything from temu lol.
I’m banned from socialist subreddits because I would question their ideals and they said that their subreddits are only for socialists.
So basically when someone said something against mainstream policy (ironic), then that person would get banned.
I’m a social democrat. It’s rather funny that we’re the most left leaning liberals and socialists dislike us more for it.
China, North Korea, etc are all states that are providing weaponry and support to Hamas in their struggle against Israel; weapons from China being found for example. On top of that, they are also advocating for full statehood for Palestine and hosting a forum where members of Hamas can meet and the factions can discuss with each other. So that is objectively untrue.
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States in 2019 which:
Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat’s delegation upon invitation from the People’s Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People’s Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People’s Republic of China. (pulled this from DeProgram, original article: https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250) In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on. (Which Meta helped fund and support an actual genocide there)
Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur’s amounts to a crime against humanity, it’s still not genocide. Even the U.S. State Department’s legal experts admit as much:
The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.
One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is “led by God” on a “mission” against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence.
The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent.
Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies.
You’re objectively wrong and this is probably why you were banned for spewing straight up U.S State Department talking points that are easily debunked with a bit of research instead of full-heartedly accepting C.I.A/NED fronts like “Council of Foreign Relations” (maybe meant something long ago) and debunked with a variety of sources from even the claimants own yes-men and social researchers struggling to find evidence. U.N also did not find evidence of a genocide.
So. What are your sources that are stronger than a self-debunk from U.S foreign policy, the U.N and multiple independent news organizations that don’t have USAID money flowing through them?
China is so against Islam that for decades it has specifically acted to protect and preserve religious and ethnic cultures with the permission of village people and elders, and for over a decade plus has refused to blame Islam for separatist and terrorist attacks, and instead righfully blames foreign interference and religious extremism/fundamentalism, rather than Islam itself.
China hates Islam so much that the government bans anti-Islamic and anti-Uyghur racial slurs and sentiment, criminalizes language and actions that threaten to deny Uyghur identity as being part of China. China hates muslims so much that muslim-related minority groups for decades had been exempt from child restriction policies. China hates muslims so much that government spends untold billions of dollars preserving their cultural practices, customs and beliefs.
China hates muslims so much that they spent billions creating up-to date mosques with air conditioning and safer architecture.
Now if there would be any Chinese here, they could talk about their society :)
I don’t really care about islam that much, even though my wife’s family are quite islamic.
It’s more the diaspora Turkish girl at work that is against china. She’s Muslim and she thinks China is bad for human rights.
Now that’s all for her to handle.
I mean, she’s also against Jews so much that I had to tell her we won’t genocide jews 😂 she’s 24 and has quite the opinions. She even voted for the communists in Belgium.
Ah, I’d say my bad for not knowing much about china. But I don’t care, if Chinese don’t talk to me, then that’s their problem. The reason why they don’t talk to me is because they can’t.
There is Chinese here. There is Russians here as well. Once again, you’re talking out of your ass.
You keep bringing up anecdotes. A lot of anti-communists use eastern european anti-communism as an example of the failures of the Soviet Union as an anecdote. My family from E. Germany told me “What did capitalism do in a 100 years that communism couldn’t? Make us hate capitalism.”
My partner and their family are from China and the Philippines. They do not have negative opinions of their origin, despite part of the family being from a nation that is typically not as friendly in geopolitics.
With that said, anecdotes mean nothing. U.N found no genocide. Multiple sources from within the U.S foreign policy apparatus and top diplomatic lawyers say the “genocide” is an out-right lie after borrowing sources from a right-wing evangelical nut-job “Adrian Zens”. Multiple independent news agencies such as the Grayzone also found no evidence.
Also, I saw another thing earlier where you were crying about IP banning and DNS regulations as dystopian. When you have an entity such as the United States and it’s intelligence agencies…that is a good thing actually. Do you need a list of every color revolution and military intervention the U.S has done? The horrible fucking things it has done that would make nearly any other Empire pale? (Yes, even the British and Mongols.)
The British and Mongols weren’t injecting lysergic acid into the brains of children because they were scared a geopolitical rival was doing mind-control. (They weren’t and MKULTRA was umbrella name for a litany of programs that came afterwards)
Closest would be Nazis. Oh wait. Nazis were directly inspired by America.
If you don’t even know the name of the ethnic group then kindly keep your mouth shut. You have absolutely no evidence for any of your claims besides “uhhh Adrian Zenz said so…”. I’m so sorry, providing education and security in a minority region is so awful. Would you prefer they take the European model and start actually oppressing their culture? Sorry, teaching Uyghur culture to people in schools is so awful and evil.
I saw videos of starved folks there and of education camps (Han washing). Don’t think the name matters though. Always switching up hazara or Zahara. Messing up the name doesn’t mean they didn’t get genocided by the Taliban.
Idk mate, it’s hilarious to me that you’re defending the Chinese on oppressing a minority while in Europe you scream oppression while we have a far higher % of other cultures here.
Have you ever been to china? My wife has worked for Chinese people in Indonesia, Singapore, has been in china.
China is the America of Asia to all the other Asians in Asia.
My wife doesn’t like the Chinese, but she gets called Chinese all the time. Karma 🥲
So your wife is a racist good-for-nothing shithead loser. I simply don’t care for what such an insignificant individual has to say about anything and frankly neither does anyone else. You have no evidence for these absurd claims and no one would believe them outside of your tiny circle of your far-right friends
My wife is quite useful. She achieved a 4 years la, degree in 3 years time by doing some of the classes during summers. She did a 6 week work week at a law office. Her education was paid by getting a scholarship. Top 5% university in Indonesia. She speaks perfect English, in a country where it’s quite rare. She’s beautiful, loving and kind.
More have defederated from us than we have defederated from. People here tend not to tolerate racism, bigotry or typical fascist rhetoric. Tearing down or sharing articles tearing down typical neoliberal narratives tends to attract attention from the typical “China bad, Ukraine good” groups which encompass a wide, wide circle for some “strange” reason.
I’m curious on why you’re banned from so many socialist subreddits.
👀 you’re pro china and pro Palestine, but you’re aware that China is against Islam and Muslims in Europe are quite against China (ulghur thing) and heavily pro Palestine?
My Turkish diaspora coworker won’t even buy anything from temu lol.
I’m banned from socialist subreddits because I would question their ideals and they said that their subreddits are only for socialists.
So basically when someone said something against mainstream policy (ironic), then that person would get banned.
I’m a social democrat. It’s rather funny that we’re the most left leaning liberals and socialists dislike us more for it.
China, North Korea, etc are all states that are providing weaponry and support to Hamas in their struggle against Israel; weapons from China being found for example. On top of that, they are also advocating for full statehood for Palestine and hosting a forum where members of Hamas can meet and the factions can discuss with each other. So that is objectively untrue.
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/ https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/forced-labor-china-us-nato-arms-industry-cold-war/
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States in 2019 which:
Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur’s amounts to a crime against humanity, it’s still not genocide. Even the U.S. State Department’s legal experts admit as much:
The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?
One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is “led by God” on a “mission” against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence.
The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent.
Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/uyghur-genocide/
Truckload of sources.
You’re objectively wrong and this is probably why you were banned for spewing straight up U.S State Department talking points that are easily debunked with a bit of research instead of full-heartedly accepting C.I.A/NED fronts like “Council of Foreign Relations” (maybe meant something long ago) and debunked with a variety of sources from even the claimants own yes-men and social researchers struggling to find evidence. U.N also did not find evidence of a genocide.
So. What are your sources that are stronger than a self-debunk from U.S foreign policy, the U.N and multiple independent news organizations that don’t have USAID money flowing through them?
China is so against Islam that for decades it has specifically acted to protect and preserve religious and ethnic cultures with the permission of village people and elders, and for over a decade plus has refused to blame Islam for separatist and terrorist attacks, and instead righfully blames foreign interference and religious extremism/fundamentalism, rather than Islam itself.
China hates Islam so much that the government bans anti-Islamic and anti-Uyghur racial slurs and sentiment, criminalizes language and actions that threaten to deny Uyghur identity as being part of China. China hates muslims so much that muslim-related minority groups for decades had been exempt from child restriction policies. China hates muslims so much that government spends untold billions of dollars preserving their cultural practices, customs and beliefs.
China hates muslims so much that they spent billions creating up-to date mosques with air conditioning and safer architecture.
Now if there would be any Chinese here, they could talk about their society :)
I don’t really care about islam that much, even though my wife’s family are quite islamic.
It’s more the diaspora Turkish girl at work that is against china. She’s Muslim and she thinks China is bad for human rights.
Now that’s all for her to handle.
I mean, she’s also against Jews so much that I had to tell her we won’t genocide jews 😂 she’s 24 and has quite the opinions. She even voted for the communists in Belgium.
Ah, I’d say my bad for not knowing much about china. But I don’t care, if Chinese don’t talk to me, then that’s their problem. The reason why they don’t talk to me is because they can’t.
There is Chinese here. There is Russians here as well. Once again, you’re talking out of your ass.
You keep bringing up anecdotes. A lot of anti-communists use eastern european anti-communism as an example of the failures of the Soviet Union as an anecdote. My family from E. Germany told me “What did capitalism do in a 100 years that communism couldn’t? Make us hate capitalism.”
My partner and their family are from China and the Philippines. They do not have negative opinions of their origin, despite part of the family being from a nation that is typically not as friendly in geopolitics.
With that said, anecdotes mean nothing. U.N found no genocide. Multiple sources from within the U.S foreign policy apparatus and top diplomatic lawyers say the “genocide” is an out-right lie after borrowing sources from a right-wing evangelical nut-job “Adrian Zens”. Multiple independent news agencies such as the Grayzone also found no evidence.
Also, I saw another thing earlier where you were crying about IP banning and DNS regulations as dystopian. When you have an entity such as the United States and it’s intelligence agencies…that is a good thing actually. Do you need a list of every color revolution and military intervention the U.S has done? The horrible fucking things it has done that would make nearly any other Empire pale? (Yes, even the British and Mongols.)
The British and Mongols weren’t injecting lysergic acid into the brains of children because they were scared a geopolitical rival was doing mind-control. (They weren’t and MKULTRA was umbrella name for a litany of programs that came afterwards)
Closest would be Nazis. Oh wait. Nazis were directly inspired by America.
Do you lick your own asshole?
I would if I could ahahahhaha
What in the world is “the ulghur thing”?
Ask her 😂 concentration camps guiding Muslim Chinese into being traditional han-like Chinese. Something like that.
Impacted something like a million people or something. Idk, it’s been in the news some years ago.
Let’s Google 🤨
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights
Uyghurs, not ulghur whoopsiedaisy
If you don’t even know the name of the ethnic group then kindly keep your mouth shut. You have absolutely no evidence for any of your claims besides “uhhh Adrian Zenz said so…”. I’m so sorry, providing education and security in a minority region is so awful. Would you prefer they take the European model and start actually oppressing their culture? Sorry, teaching Uyghur culture to people in schools is so awful and evil.
I saw videos of starved folks there and of education camps (Han washing). Don’t think the name matters though. Always switching up hazara or Zahara. Messing up the name doesn’t mean they didn’t get genocided by the Taliban.
Idk mate, it’s hilarious to me that you’re defending the Chinese on oppressing a minority while in Europe you scream oppression while we have a far higher % of other cultures here.
Have you ever been to china? My wife has worked for Chinese people in Indonesia, Singapore, has been in china.
China is the America of Asia to all the other Asians in Asia.
My wife doesn’t like the Chinese, but she gets called Chinese all the time. Karma 🥲
So your wife is a racist good-for-nothing shithead loser. I simply don’t care for what such an insignificant individual has to say about anything and frankly neither does anyone else. You have no evidence for these absurd claims and no one would believe them outside of your tiny circle of your far-right friends
My wife is quite useful. She achieved a 4 years la, degree in 3 years time by doing some of the classes during summers. She did a 6 week work week at a law office. Her education was paid by getting a scholarship. Top 5% university in Indonesia. She speaks perfect English, in a country where it’s quite rare. She’s beautiful, loving and kind.
Do you have anyone speaking about you this way?
We already know she is a shithead loser so no other facts need to be brought up.