Kindly fuck off
“One term.”
It physically hurts me to think about the number of times here, on this platform, people tried to gaslight us on this.
First it never happened.
Then, when we showed them the interview where he said it, we were told it was just “misconstruing” what Biden said.
Then, it wasn’t a campaign promise.
Then, when in 2024 when Biden confirmed it was a campaign promise, it didn’t matter, because “beating Trump” was too important; but if “beating Trump” was so important, then why were they insisting on sticking with Biden?
I just. Sometimes I can’t even.
That didn’t happen. And if it did, it wasn’t that bad. And if it was, that’s not a big deal. And if it is, that’s not my fault. And if it was, I didn’t mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right.
It sucks that the Democrats are the Republican party of 2012.
And Democrats will soon be the Republican Party of 2016.
Already are in a lot of aspects.
No. Please enjoy your retirement.
The Bidens need to stay the fuck out. For good. You killed your own political dynasty, dipshit. Stay down.
Yes I heard he was Satan, and that’s the sole reason people voted for rampant fascism by a kleptocrat. All his fault.
Man he was such a good president, he did such great things that are helpful to the average american, like:
… … … …
Well he’s not Trump so that’s good enough for all the deaths from COVID, social murder, Mexican cages, Gaza, the trans healthcare crisis, abortion being made illegal, not arresting Trump so he’s back in office…
Trump is so awful the bar is in hell, walking on the bottom of the ocean floor is better but not great.
what about chips act?
what about inflation reduction act?
you really can’t name anything positive biden did?
He actually did do a bunch of good things. The reason you can’t name them is b/c Ds never talked about it. Probably some dumb reason like “results will speak for themselves”
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They’ll probably try Hillary again next
Pelosi for pres! Cause democrats! Ahhh we are so fucked…
Yeah, of course. The way forward is relying on failed gerontocrats.
At last someone has answered the call for new, young leaders with fresh ideas.
The best thing he could do is be just as visible as an ex-president as he was while he was president…
Meaning the most I want to hear from that asshat is a few mumbled sentences between exiting a building and entering a vehicle, but I’d prefer to just never hear from him again.
Neoliberals have poisoned the party to the point that we’d all be better off if we never heard a squeak from them again
He can put sunglasses on for memes and shit. His sole purpose should just be pointing at current egg prices with no words spoken.
I’d accept that.
What I would give for some actual leftists who are tough.
We need a younger bernie who is more aggressive. Shut the fuck up about woke and LGBT stuff. Speak only about how billionaires and corporations and wall street are exploiting the poor and working class.
Tax the billionaires. Support the Working class. Accountability for the rich. No more of this laws are only for the poor nonsense.
Free Healthcare. Free college/university. Free meals for kids in schools. Fund our fucking public schools. Make the rich pay for it or they can get the fuck out.
Your opinion is garbage. Support for LGBTQ+ rights didn’t alienate anyone who wasn’t already a garbage person.
Not garbage, and not opinion. Objective fact.
It’s people like you why bigots are winning and trump got elected.
Because of you, you’re extraordinary stupidity, we are sliding into fascism. If you don’t pull your head out of your ass, we’re doomed.
People who want to live their lives and be left alone lost the election? Oh this is going to be good.
The floor is yours.
Present your objective fact.
LGBT, woke, and immigrant issues are amplified by those in power to get more votes on the right, and distract from the most important issues: oligarchy and wealthy elites who are exploiting the poor and working class.
This doesn’t mean these issues aren’t important, they are. They’re just used to distract from what’s more important, and energize bigots who end up supporting the right.
Objective fact.
Roe was decided in 1973. Still not codified. We finally got civil rights, but nominally and look what happened to that – backpedaling. Marriage equality finally happened, now we have targets on trans backs. DACA? 😶
I see what you’re saying. If the left could run on everything that United unites everyone, while quietly working in the background like the heritage foundation and teaparty have been since JFK that got us where we are today, maybe it would work. The Democratic party were not doing that, though. They were just playing controlled opposition.
Assuming we can still have elections, this may be a workable idea. I guess when press prods, an evasive “right now we have a lot of damage to undo” may work. Then just start un/doing everything by executive order. Thing is, leftys are suspicious af after watching what the Dems did and didn’t do since FDR. It would be a hail Mary for sure and may very well backfire big-time.
Still waiting.
You made a statement.
Please back it up.
It was also practically non-existent in the most recent Democratic campaign, but this guy still wants to scapegoat it as the cause of our doom. Somehow I’m not confident his concept of “true leftists” really do hold this as a core principle when it’s a priority to purge them for expediency at the first opportunity.
It’s almost exactly the message of the shitty centrists just with a left (trust me bro) window dressing and both deserve the same amount of respect. They’re just being practical.
Shut the fuck up about woke and LGBT stuff.
No, I want people who are louder about woke and LGBTQ stuff while holding billionaire’s and corpo feet to the fire.
Then we will lose.
The immigrant and LGBT stuff just gets bigots more energized to vote and fight. That is their tactic and they’re winning.
The conservatives are gaining power and enacting policies to entrench power. Destruction of education means less educated, therefore more ignorance and bigotry. Easy to manipulate.
Progressives need to win first, get power, then enact policy changes. Protections and support for minorities only comes when we have the power to enact such policies.
Keep amplifying the LGBT and immigrant stuff, bigots will keep voting for the cons. They’re winning.
Maybe, if we amplify how they’re being ripped off and manipulated by billionaires, we might gain some non-zero support.
Shut the fuck up about woke and LGBT stuff.
So win by throwing the rights of the queer community and minorities to the dogs?
I knew you people would disagree but I don’t care.
Inherently, leftists support protections for minorities. It’s part of being decent.
The problem is the conservative propaganda noise machine has amplified the anti-immigrant, woke and LGBT stuff as a distraction from the fact that billionaires are hoarding and stealing your wealth. And they’re gaining power to keep it this way.
The immigrant and LGBT stuff just angers bigots, gets them energized to vote against their own interests. Republicans are winning, bigly, not sure you’ve noticed.
It’s working because of people like you who can’t navigate this very successful propaganda.
The immigrant and LGBT stuff just angers bigots, gets them energized to vote against their own interests. Republicans are winning, bigly, not sure you’ve noticed.
Seems to me you are proposing that we cater to the bigots.
It’s working because of people like you who can’t navigate this very successful propaganda.
Yeah that’s a lot of words to tell me my empathy for people not like me is a problem.
Seems to me you are proposing that we cater to the bigots.
Nope. I’m saying the LGBT stuff doesn’t matter nearly as much as you think it does. It’s amplified as a propaganda tactic to get bigots votes. They get power, which results in bigoted policies to keep power.
Your empathy is irrelevant if you have no power, which you don’t. Do you not recognize that it’s getting worse for the LGBT community? Potentially way fucking worse.
Your way isn’t working, because you don’t understand that it’s not actually your way, it’s the wealthy in power that have you hyperfocused on anything other than them hoarding wealth and consolidating power, and destroying what rights and freedom we have left.
There’s a poem about this very attitude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came
And you know what? You can plainly see it happening.
All during the election it was LGBTQ. But that’s kinda back seat (for now) -
Then it was undocumented immigrants that were criminals.
It took no time at all before we heard about non-criminal undocumented immigrants being swept up. And then Native Americans.
Now it’s clearly people who have made honest mistakes.
And Trump now says he wants to send protesters to El Salvador too.
He’s going to come for the queer folks.
He’s going to come for you if you aren’t a cis white male or tradwife to one. It’s just a matter of time.
We stand together or not at all.
Yowza. That doesn’t apply to my comments at all.
Then you aren’t expressing yourself very well.
Shut the fuck up about woke and LGBT stuff.
I knew you people would disagree but I don’t care.
It’s working because of people like you
I’m saying the LGBT stuff doesn’t matter nearly as much as you think it does.
Your way isn’t working, because you don’t understand that it’s not actually your way
It matters far more than you are giving it credit. Throwing one group under the bus is immoral and we should oppose it because of that, but it is also just stupid tactically. Our strength is solidarity. Everyone for everyone and against the oligarchs who are destroying this world.
It matters far more than you are giving it credit.
Throwing one group under the bus
It does not, and I’m absolutely not throwing them under the bus.
I’ve already said, inherently and foundationally, leftists support protections for minorities of all types, period. It should be really easy. It doesn’t matter in the sense that it’s simple, bigots who discriminate against any minority should be an extreme outlier. The problem we have is a long term lack of education and cultural indoctrination that supports bigotry. Because of this there’s way more ignorance and bigotry than there should be. The cure for this really is widespread education. We can’t educate if we have no power.
We can’t fix it without power. The true moral thing to do is logically understand how to get power. Keeping immigrant and LGBT issues at the top, is just getting the right to win. Hell, even immigrants went more for trump this election.
everyone and against the oligarchs who are destroying this world
This is the most important thing, but in a way that actually works. The oligarchs are winning and getting more of the masses on their side, because they’re using the immigrant and LGBT issue stuff to rally they’re supporters to get votes and keep power. Conservatives are winning all over the world, and they all use these tactics.
“The end justifies the means. But what if there never is an end? All we have is means.” - Le Guin
“We’ll win by converting Republicans… but as leftists.”
Stop chasing that stupid fucking dream of a left coalition that’s just gruff manly workers without all those whiners talking about things that don’t affect you and might even have made you feel bad once upon a time. Solidarity isn’t a quiet nod and a “trust us”, it’s showing up for your fellows and having their back even when you’re not in the firing line.
“We’re not going to talk about your issues, but you should believe we’ll fight for them once we have power” is literally why the Democrats just lost. But like the anti-woke centrists you’re still going to pretend wokeness, which was approximately 0% of the Democratic campaign, was the problem. That’s why you can’t be trusted to say you’ll get to it as soon as the politics that caters only to your interests gains power.
“We’ll win by converting Republicans… but as leftists.”
Yep.
Kamala tried that, but as a centrist - all that talk about her glock, all that lack of talk about climate change or palestine (or LGBTQ issues), all that time being chummy with Cheneys.
I understand your frustration here. You and the minority communities do matter! With that said, the only way for you to have recognition and equality is to overthrow those in power. Those in power use you and other minorities as sock puppets pandering to wedge issues. While wedge issues are important to you and I, they are meaningless to those that use them to divided us.
If you let them keep using you as their wedge issue you can expect nothing but quarter measures and lip service in return. They need you to be that wedge issue to continue their robbery. You are being used, and as long as your useful nothing will materially change for you. You will be pulled left to right with every administration shift, never getting anything you need and deserve.
What matters to those in power is money. That’s it. Right and left alike. Nothing else! Not you or any minority or what you/they/I care about will change while these kinds of people are in power.
I’m not saying to put your priorities on the back burner. I’m saying we have to come together to burn the fascists down to get what we want together. Money out of politics is the only avenue for any change. That might have to be the only priority for a moment til we have a functioning government that has the power to actually change all our lives for the better.
That might have to be the only priority for a moment til we have a functioning government that has the power to actually change all our lives for the better.
That got us Hillary instead of Bernie, then Biden instead of Bernie. And this thinking exactly perpetuates the ratchet effect. We always have to win just a little harder, then we can change what matters. THAT is what got us here.
I am NOT queer, nor a minority. I’m among the very last group of people that will be sent to the camps. But my values don’t require me to be personally affected to stand firm by my fellow humans.
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But if I were a member of one of those groups, I’d probably be pretty upset that you are telling me I should treat my very existence as a “wedge issue” to be avoided. I won’t go further for fear of putting words in someone’s mouth.
That a bit crazy, they are wedge issues. The consultants red and blue have defined them so…
The left and the right pay consulting firms hundreds of millions to devise ways to create/use these “wedge issues” to divide us. That’s the game. Keep you fighting over these issues and never doing anything meaningful to change things. Puppets and pawns.
The only game that will ever make any meaningful change is the money game! That’s the only game that matters to them and the only one we need to win for all the wedge issues to be treated as real life issues.
We cannot have a functional democracy any other way. It is the only issue that will be able to bring about any meaningful change.
Don’t let these think tanks divide and blind you or you risk just being the latest fad en vogue “wedge issue” political prop. Doomed to be used till your usefulness runs its course and they latch on the next whilst you get nothing in return. That’s the plan all along.
I absolutely stand by the lgbt peoples as I stand by the others marginalized by society. What I’m saying was pretty fucking clear! If you want real lasting change there is only one real issue that matters. We have to break the money system. Or else nothing changes ever!
What got us Hillary not Bernie was the DNC, the same people that use the marginalized as props for political gain. People should have figured that out by now, if they are paying attention. The neoliberal right wing democrats! They own the DNC! They despise their own constituency. They loathe anyone that challenge their money making machine.
First I want to say that I was more terse in parts of my reply than you deserved, I apologize.
Let me make my main point slightly differently.
For people who are not members of those groups,these can be used by politicians as wedge issues.
For many people who are members of those groups, the current administration presents an immediate existential threat.
So making the decision to not focus on those issues in an attempt to curry favor with people who have already proven difficult to peel off when Kamala also tried to tack right for their votes (forgive my use of another meme below) seems careless with other peoples’ lives, to me.
And I still say this kind of thinking just further incentivizes D to move further right. “Look, we went right and won!” It’s now very, very clear that winning votes is all that matters to many incumbent Democrats.
I don’t want to appeal to any right winger, neoliberal or neoconservative. No where in either of my posts did I advocate such. Those on the left, the real definition of left, are easily fractured into faction’s. It is our nature as independent thinkers.
My only goal of my posts on this thread is to help people realize that they are being manipulated by these wedge issues devised by consultants to separate/divide us. Not that these aren’t real issues they absolutely are. However they are labeled wedge issues for a reason. Excellent division tactics of manipulation and used in that manor.
We have to fight the $$$! That’s my point. Those on the real left need to coalesce behind that singular goal. That’s the only way to win freedom and equality for all.
My dad said to me once, “Pick your battles wisely, figure out whats the most present obstacle to your success, form a strategy that will succeed or you will fail. Sometimes that means playing the long game.”
We have to fight the $$$! That’s my point.
I agree with this.
But if we do it to the exclusion of other concerns, we increase the vulnerability of these marginalized groups for an indeterminate period of time.
Conservatives fight the culture war because they have swallowed propaganda about these groups and now (still, I’d argue) hate them. Members of those groups and their allies fight the culture war because the writing is on the wall for what is going to happen to people in those groups if we don’t.
Nope. Stay home
Yeah, we’re good, you might actually hurt us if you help.
FINALLY! TRUE Leadership from the Man who did whatever Rich People told him to while Ignoring the Working Class!
More neoliberalism isn’t gonna fix jack shit. It’ll barely float Canada for the next 4 years ffs.
No. If you want to be useful, convince some other dinosaur Dems to retire.
He had to be convinced when he stared at polls saying Trump would win 400 EC votes, he isn’t going to do anything.
The weird nerd model UN kids who are excited to meet Biden are the same as the weird nerds who run the party.
