- cross-posted to:
- vegan@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- vegan@lemmy.world
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/27369670
I know, not all omnis. But this is based on personal experience.
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/27369670
I know, not all omnis. But this is based on personal experience.
You’re right on the money. There’s no morally relevant trait that differentiates all humans from all non-human animals.
Please ignore if you don’t want to answer, but if you don’t mind me asking, have you considered giving up animal products? Because if so, I’m here for questions and advice about it :)
I have, but I think its more that I dont like factory farms and industrial scale slaughter. We have a bunch off hens for eggs now, and i prefer to eat deer we hunt over store bought beef. I wish there was good fishing near by. I’d be doing that if I could.
Alright.
Are going against hunting deer? If so, then how would your control the population to prevent deforestation from overgrazing populations of wild roe deer destroying the economy? If not, then is it okay to eat that deer. If not, then what do you suppose doing with them?
If you’re against using wool from animals which have developed into domesticated forms, like sheep, and couldn’t manage without attendance from humans, then what should we do with those animals? Stop shearing them? Burn the sheared wool, just because? Or genocide all sheep? Or let them just suffer with the the wool, not shear them?
How is the pest control managed in the produce you eat, or do you have the ability to eat only vegetation that’s been grown in hydroponic gardens which at most need to kill some bugs?
(I support vegan products and most of my diet is plant based roughly but I do buy venison, elk, reindeer etc around hunting season)
Do you go into other communities for people who hold a certain belief to argue with them, or just vegan ones?
I don’t know if it’s actually necessary to fix our mistake by hunting deer. I’d have to research that. But why is it ok to eat them and not, say, a pet who has to be put to sleep? Like, I genuinely can’t think of a reason.
And as with any farm animal, the problem disappears as soon as we stop breeding animal into existence that suffer under the kind of body weve bred them to have. Just like an overbred dog. Sheep suffer from their wool because we made them this way, not because theyre naturally like this. We just stop making them this way. As for the wool, you can look up how they go about in in animal sanctuaries.
No answers.
Because full, veganism is an irrational philosophy.
I’m hardcore against industrial meat farming, support vegan products, but also eat meat when I can find morally sourced ones.
I don’t “go into communities” Lemmy has a main feed.
You said you were open to questions and now don’t even answer them.
“how the go about in animal sanctuaries”
I’ve worked at animal sanctuaries. I know.
You skipped both the questions, like all vegans always do.
Perhaps open your mind to the idea that your absolutist views might not be the only moral ones, and that yours can even get less moral when viewed through a larger lens.
I can defend my ideology. (Which again is against industrial Meat-farms and I mainly eat a plant based diet and zero dairy.) Can you say the same?
I said I’m open for questions to someone who wants to learn to eat more plant based stuff.
Going into a post and commenting is going into a community.
Which part of your question do you feel wasn’t sufficiently addressed? I’ll try to elaborate on my replies to them.
Edit: if you comment with yet another insult, I won’t engage.
So what do we do with deer?
Or is the meat to be discarded as “unholy”?
Should we genocide all sheep? Because unless you plan to do that, we’re going to have to keep shearing them. And that wool is thus required for the animals welfare. It’s extra.
Do we burn it as unholy?
Your absolutist ways don’t work yet you refuse to accept alternatives. Kinda like the people who see eating meat as masculine and refuse to eat plant based products or change their diet
With things like eating an animal (non human or human) that dies anyway, it honestly depends on whether your ethics are strictly utiliterian or not. If you’re strictly utiliterian, there’s no reason not to eat a culled deer or a euthanized dog. All I’m asking for is consistency, and that’s how I go about it, too: I wouldn’t eat a deceased pet or relative, so I’m not eating that deer either. I’m also not personally experienced in animal populations, so I wouldn’t feel comfortable buying that meat either way, since I don’t have the skill to actually make sure it really would’ve died anyway without my demand for the product that is its body. That’s just me though, it’s a different story if you’re more well versed in this!
What about my reply to your other question wasn’t sufficient? I’d love to elaborate on that too if you want.
I typed this reply before seeing the end of your comment. Again, if you keep being insulting like this instead of genuinely discussing things, I might/will stop engaging.