Are you telling me that you have kids only they can clean your ass and shit when you older? And people here on dbzero is giving you positive feedback?? Wow… Fucking hypocritical people when it’s a rich the egotistical bastard so eat the rich but when is a normal person you celebrate it, such a clown show.
I think the key to this scheme working, however, is that you raise your children in such a selfless way that they would want to take care of you when you have nothing more to offer them. Which is to say, the only way this method works is if it’s not a “method” at all, just love.
Edit: inb4 honor culture. In the places you likely refer to, uncared-for elderly are considered a great dishonor. But also in these places, differences in social infrastructure and the parameters of personal finance significantly augment the decision. In short, it’s still a net cost of time and resources to raise a child, a balance that can only be paid by love.
I’m sure my daughter would want to. The problem is it’s completely unrealistic in the US. When I’m too old to care for myself, I’m going to insist on a nursing home. Hell, the LAN parties are going to be great by then.
It’s true. These days the average household income in the US isn’t enough for the added costs of elderly care without the supplement of social security and other programs. That trend only worsens.
I’m optimistic, however, that this will change as the differences in generational attitudes towards socialism are reflected more strongly in governmental policy. The baby boomers are already losing their grip on the levers of politics, and the millennials, in particular, are much more friendly to social policies.
True, though statistically it’s just cleaning the plate, as global elites have had their fill over many decades. Once people finally decide to stop pointing fingers at each other and unite against this scourge, there will be nowhere to run.
Afterward, global economies should stabilize and nations which start this process early will, I suspect, see much growth during the global recovery, so here’s hoping americans have some revolutionary spirit left.
My concern on that front is trust. After electing Trump, Biden, Trump, our allies see the US as a rocking ship. Our allies’ trust in us will take more than a term to regain.
For sure. I imagine it will take far more than one government/term to rehabilitate and repair international relationships (decades, I’d wager) but I think within our lifetimes we’ll get to see it!
Making a life-changing decision - for more than just yourself - on the assumption that they will want anything to do with you in 40 years is, how do I put this… stupid as fuck?
And that assumes they also are able-bodied, of sound mind and judgement, can care for any others financially…
My folks are getting up there in age, and I’m not getting any younger myself. They are religious, I’m not. I’m LGBT, they are bigoted. I can understand the big picture of caring for others through community, they don’t. They are still very capable and mobile, I’m disabled. What side of the fence do you think I’m on?
They could have just used a fucking condom. They should have. They didn’t.
My mom would straight up tell us we were supposed to take care of her when she got old, it’s literally the only reason I was ever given for why I was made. For that and other reasons I’m no-contact now, but it’s an incredibly toxic mindset and even worse that you’re inflicting that on your kids.
I can’t speak for my siblings, but my mom at least knew better than to try that on me, I’ve straight up told her I resent her for ever having me, which was a little dramatic sure, but at least it got the point across lol
With all due respect, I think your personal bias is entirely coloring your opinion here. Most people have at least an amicable relationship with their parents as adults, generally much closer than that. Just because you have a bad one doesn’t mean people shouldn’t have kids.
In fact we need more kids, especially when raised by progressive people, because the fascists are having them too.
we need more kids, especially when raised by progressive people, because the fascists are having them too.
We’re not going to out-breed stupid or evil. Tbh, having a kid for the sake of shoving them into that death spiral is cruel as fuck.
…also kids aren’t their parents - you can do all the right steps in raising them and still wind up with a fucking Nazi once they leave the house, and now we’ve got a net loss on all fronts.
Vice versa is also true ofc, but please don’t crank out a baby just to use it as a footsoldier in a losing war on a dying planet.
I didn’t say ‘don’t have kids’, but you must realize that you are forcing a being into the world that may not see things as you do, regardless of what/how/why, and assuming they will follow an assumed plan that you have carved out is… controlling another being, in any capacity, that isn’t 100% concentual, is bad in my view. Hard stop, no exceptions. If that is ‘I don’t want to be your nurse in old age’, or ‘I loathe that you have created me’ or anything in between or beyond, is irrelevant.
Baby: costs thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars over a minimum of 18 years
Monitor: shows memes and games, costs a few hundred dollars for a good one, one time purchase
Obviously the child is the stupid financial decision
It depends on where you live. Believe it or not, kids still care for their elderly parents in some nations.
Are you telling me that you have kids only they can clean your ass and shit when you older? And people here on dbzero is giving you positive feedback?? Wow… Fucking hypocritical people when it’s a rich the egotistical bastard so eat the rich but when is a normal person you celebrate it, such a clown show.
Guess someone doesn’t like to clean their parents’ doodoos.
I will be honest, if I should do it, I don’t think I would last a lot, I am thinking in escaping on that future…
No one should have to. Most of us have decades to prepare for our old age, it’s unfair to place that burden on your children.
That being said, I love my parents, and even if they are not expecting us to nurse them, I am prepared to hire a nurse to take care of them if needed.
I also want to avoid cleaning doodoos if possible.
See, the problem is, I’m a middle age man, unemployed and poor. So yeah, pretty fcked up here…
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So?? It’s not an excuse!!
An excuse for what? I think I misunderstood your point.
I think the key to this scheme working, however, is that you raise your children in such a selfless way that they would want to take care of you when you have nothing more to offer them. Which is to say, the only way this method works is if it’s not a “method” at all, just love.
Edit: inb4 honor culture. In the places you likely refer to, uncared-for elderly are considered a great dishonor. But also in these places, differences in social infrastructure and the parameters of personal finance significantly augment the decision. In short, it’s still a net cost of time and resources to raise a child, a balance that can only be paid by love.
I’m sure my daughter would want to. The problem is it’s completely unrealistic in the US. When I’m too old to care for myself, I’m going to insist on a nursing home. Hell, the LAN parties are going to be great by then.
It’s true. These days the average household income in the US isn’t enough for the added costs of elderly care without the supplement of social security and other programs. That trend only worsens.
I’m optimistic, however, that this will change as the differences in generational attitudes towards socialism are reflected more strongly in governmental policy. The baby boomers are already losing their grip on the levers of politics, and the millennials, in particular, are much more friendly to social policies.
That’s true, although this administration is perfectly timed to siphon off the largest wealth transfer in US history with the demise of the boomers.
True, though statistically it’s just cleaning the plate, as global elites have had their fill over many decades. Once people finally decide to stop pointing fingers at each other and unite against this scourge, there will be nowhere to run.
Afterward, global economies should stabilize and nations which start this process early will, I suspect, see much growth during the global recovery, so here’s hoping americans have some revolutionary spirit left.
My concern on that front is trust. After electing Trump, Biden, Trump, our allies see the US as a rocking ship. Our allies’ trust in us will take more than a term to regain.
For sure. I imagine it will take far more than one government/term to rehabilitate and repair international relationships (decades, I’d wager) but I think within our lifetimes we’ll get to see it!
Making a life-changing decision - for more than just yourself - on the assumption that they will want anything to do with you in 40 years is, how do I put this… stupid as fuck?
And that assumes they also are able-bodied, of sound mind and judgement, can care for any others financially…
My folks are getting up there in age, and I’m not getting any younger myself. They are religious, I’m not. I’m LGBT, they are bigoted. I can understand the big picture of caring for others through community, they don’t. They are still very capable and mobile, I’m disabled. What side of the fence do you think I’m on?
They could have just used a fucking condom. They should have. They didn’t.
My mom would straight up tell us we were supposed to take care of her when she got old, it’s literally the only reason I was ever given for why I was made. For that and other reasons I’m no-contact now, but it’s an incredibly toxic mindset and even worse that you’re inflicting that on your kids.
My mom had moved to the guilt phase, “none of you kids will take care of me when I’m old”
I can’t speak for my siblings, but my mom at least knew better than to try that on me, I’ve straight up told her I resent her for ever having me, which was a little dramatic sure, but at least it got the point across lol
With all due respect, I think your personal bias is entirely coloring your opinion here. Most people have at least an amicable relationship with their parents as adults, generally much closer than that. Just because you have a bad one doesn’t mean people shouldn’t have kids.
In fact we need more kids, especially when raised by progressive people, because the fascists are having them too.
We’re not going to out-breed stupid or evil. Tbh, having a kid for the sake of shoving them into that death spiral is cruel as fuck.
…also kids aren’t their parents - you can do all the right steps in raising them and still wind up with a fucking Nazi once they leave the house, and now we’ve got a net loss on all fronts.
Vice versa is also true ofc, but please don’t crank out a baby just to use it as a footsoldier in a losing war on a dying planet.
The cruelest thing a person could ever do to another human is to bring them into the world.
Suffering and death are the only guarantees on this mortal coil.
Lots of good in between, but still.
The lots of good in between is not guaranteed.
I didn’t say ‘don’t have kids’, but you must realize that you are forcing a being into the world that may not see things as you do, regardless of what/how/why, and assuming they will follow an assumed plan that you have carved out is… controlling another being, in any capacity, that isn’t 100% concentual, is bad in my view. Hard stop, no exceptions. If that is ‘I don’t want to be your nurse in old age’, or ‘I loathe that you have created me’ or anything in between or beyond, is irrelevant.