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- politics@lemmy.world
It’s nice to see the senate opposition functioning.
Edit: 18 hours of holding the senate floor, giving voice to the american people. Lots of tears as american suffering is read out loud for the congressional record. Testiment from Americans across the country. This is the voice of the people. Please click the link, share and watch. The media needs to know we care about the opposition more than we care about trump rambling on a plane about fort knox.
As a non-american, I dont understand what thatyou mean. Could you elaborate shortly? And is your comment controversial because people are saying its not true or because they think your critique is misplaced?
Lemmy is full of “vote blue no matter who” libs who think the party cannot fail, it can only be failed.
It was failed by its voters in 2010, when it failed to make a meaningful impact in peoples lives despite having the executive, 60 senators, and the house.
And then voters failed it again in 2016 when they didn’t turn out for “America is already great” while paychecks remained stagnant and rent continued to increase.
And again in 2022 after Joe “nothing will fundamentally change” Biden failed to use his power to change anything.
And again in 2024 after Kamala “How would my administration be different from Biden’s? I would have a republican in my cabinet” Harris ate shit.
These people understand at a deep level that the democratic party would rather lose than embrace left policy and cannot be pressured by its voters, so the only lever they feel they have to influence outcome is to silence any criticism.
Im not that deep into US polotics but my impression is the dems cant implement left policies, because the population is so indoctrinated with “communism is pure evil” that they would rather vote for a criminal fascist. They cant just implement policies that 95% of their voters disagree with. Theyre about as left as the farthest right democratic party in Germany, excluding the AfD of course, which was proven anti-democratic and might get banned soon. But this represents the population. Suppressed education plays a big part in my opinion. To me it seems that most of the dems are content with either party being in charge, the things they argue about like DEI and migration are huge distractions from the massive lobby deals both parties agree upon. Its a two-party dictatorship pretending to fight each other while suppressing anyone but the richest.
That’s the thing, left policy is overwhelmingly popular when you don’t attach it to a democrat and you don’t complicate it with means testing or market solutions or anything else.
Even republican voters like the idea of “free healthcare”. But you say “free healthcare, for people who meet X Y Z requirements” and 90% of people will assume that this program won’t apply to them.
You say “tax credits for people with children, after you fill out 5 forms and prove you make more than X but less than Y, applied to this scale”, and even people who meet that criteria children will assume it won’t help them. You just tell them “every working family with a kid under 18 gets a $3,600 check”, they’ll support it.
The democrats are miles to the right of their voters. This situation is further enforced by the media, who push the narrative of the “median voter” or “moderate republican”, who is half way between democrat and republican; who will vote for “up to 40K college loan forgiveness for people with STEM degrees who were born on a prime numbered day and operated a business in an underserved neighborhood for 3 years” (Kamala’s 2020 policy) but thinks that “free college” would be a step too far.
That really comes down to if you are a progressive or a neoliberal.
I think people just don’t like critiquing Bernie
In 2015 Bernie Sanders had the biggest grassroots campaign in US history, with more individual doners than any canidate ever. From the perspective of anyone under 30 he was going to easily sweep Trump before he dropped out.
Bernie was asked by the DNC to drop out of the race and asked his supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton, most of his supporters absolutely hate Hillary Clinton so they didn’t vote for her and then Trump won his first election.
The Neoliberals blame the Progressives, and the Progressives blame the Neoliberals.
But IMO at the end of the day it was the Neoliberal canidate that lost to Donald Trump, so it’s their fault. The Neoliberals knew their policies were unpopular and decided to try to bait and then guilt progressives into voting for them. You can see some are still committed to guilting leftists into supporting right wing Neoliberals.
Thanks for explaining. Sounds like the US had a chance to break out of the two-party dictatorship but gave it away for a short term chance at a single term. This is really sad, but Im also convinced the people in power wouldnt simply let it happen. The system has made them so insanely rich and influential that probably nothing short of a violent revolution could break it.
6-12% of Sanders supporters voted Trump. ~82-83% of that 6-12% were conservatives. Bernie had broader appeal with everyone except the “vote blue no matter who” crowd because policies that immediately improve people’s material conditions are popular. Telling someone who is struggling to make ends meet “America is already great” is not popular.
For comparison, 15% of Clinton primary voters voted republican in 2008
How many didn’t vote or voted 3rd party?
The statistics don’t say, but I suspect enough that the dems would have won if they’d either nominated him or adopted his policies instead of ratfucking him in the primary and telling the people suffering who liked his policies they’re doing just fine.