I don’t think it is intrinsically wrong to deport someone who has entered the country illegally and a supermajority of Americans agree with that.
With that being said I find the American approach to dealing with immigration self-defeating regardless of what the actual goal is.
There is a fundamental difference between the laws in occupied Poland and the United States. There were no judges or appeals processes. Just Party functionaries whose hands needed greasing.
I don’t think it is intrinsically wrong to deport someone who has entered the country illegally and a supermajority of Americans agree with that.
Then you believe in a system where you can be sent to a place where there is no appeal process to return.
With that being said I find the American approach to dealing with immigration self-defeating regardless of what the actual goal is.
Agreed!
There is a fundamental difference between the laws in occupied Poland and the United States. There were no judges or appeals processes. Just Party functionaries whose hands needed greasing.
That’s kind of like saying “There were no judges or appeals processes for prisons in 21st century America, there were only plea deals made by law firms whose hands needed greasing.” It’s not functionally wrong, but it is technically and legally laughable.
The appeal process within occupied Poland was that first you needed to appeal to your local Judenräte who would negotiate on your behalf to the German occupation authorities. Except most of the time the individual was left out of the process and it was simply negotiations between the Judenräte and the Occupation authority. They were explicitly setup as judges within a form of lower court to manage these sorts of things and one of their strongest forms of resistance was to aquire documentation (sometimes falsified) in order to get those already within the ghettos to be classified as “mischlinge” and allowed out of the ghetto.
They can appeal while detained. That is different from being picked up on the street and sent to another country, no courts, no lawyers, no nothing.
Why is it laughable? Jews and Poles had no rights. The ultimate goal was their extermination. Anything else was just for convenience or to keep from clogging the arteries of genocide by sending too many at once.
I don’t think it is intrinsically wrong to deport someone who has entered the country illegally and a supermajority of Americans agree with that.
With that being said I find the American approach to dealing with immigration self-defeating regardless of what the actual goal is.
There is a fundamental difference between the laws in occupied Poland and the United States. There were no judges or appeals processes. Just Party functionaries whose hands needed greasing.
Then you believe in a system where you can be sent to a place where there is no appeal process to return.
Agreed!
That’s kind of like saying “There were no judges or appeals processes for prisons in 21st century America, there were only plea deals made by law firms whose hands needed greasing.” It’s not functionally wrong, but it is technically and legally laughable.
The appeal process within occupied Poland was that first you needed to appeal to your local Judenräte who would negotiate on your behalf to the German occupation authorities. Except most of the time the individual was left out of the process and it was simply negotiations between the Judenräte and the Occupation authority. They were explicitly setup as judges within a form of lower court to manage these sorts of things and one of their strongest forms of resistance was to aquire documentation (sometimes falsified) in order to get those already within the ghettos to be classified as “mischlinge” and allowed out of the ghetto.
They can appeal while detained. That is different from being picked up on the street and sent to another country, no courts, no lawyers, no nothing.
Why is it laughable? Jews and Poles had no rights. The ultimate goal was their extermination. Anything else was just for convenience or to keep from clogging the arteries of genocide by sending too many at once.