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Didn’t they US used to send special forces out to rescue people like that in the past?
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If we can’t get this prisoner back then you and me are next.
If they are going to illegally kidnap you and bring you to El Salvador then it’s probably best to try to kill them and then escape to Canada.
Literally zero victims sent to El Salvador received a trial or due process of any kind. None of them. They were identified by ICE and summarily deported. This one guy is a test case because it was proven to be a mistake, but dozens of others don’t even have enough of a paper trail to examine. 90% had no criminal record. Even if he is returned, the administration has proven that they are willing and capable of eliminating anyone.
Are they in prison in Venezuela? Or could they just come right back?
No, that’s… it’s like the whole story. He’s in a concentration camp in El Salvador for no legal reason. None of them can leave because it’s a prison, and they may be dead. They can’t come back from Venezuela because that’s not where they were taken after being abducted.
They’ve definitely extracted Americans held in other countries before (I just rewatched Argo last night), but that order has to come from the president. And he’s the one that wanted people deported in the first place.
Dude is a citizen of El Salvador, though. That makes it more complicated. Going in and extracting him could easily be treated as an act of war.
Trump’s only real tool would be to negotiate his return, either by offering them something, or threatening them.
Unless going to war is the plan, which I find unlikely.
doesn’t matter.he needs to capitulate to them to get the guy back.
it was his departments fuck up after all, as so ordered by the highest court in the land. it’s his job to do whatever it takes to get the man back. we certainly have leverage; I think it’s just trump doesn’t want to and is using this to conviently ignore a court order. That’s why he said ‘hes helping us out’. shipping them to another country helps him do fascist things and shove off the blame. It’s like if the Nazis held their camps in Ethiopia or some shit idk
anyone who isnt outraged over this is imo… in for a nasty surprise. this will keep ramping up, innocent people will keep getting sent to El Salvador and when not even the supreme Court can stop it
what’s the point of any of this? what are we doing here? seriously I cannot believe how ignorant, short sided, and hateful my fellow Americans are becoming. this is the end of the American experiment, it’s that simple. We’ve failed every test.
every founding founder would be rolling over in their graves, but if they could e tasted a fraction of the immense wealth and power our current oligarchs hold. I’m sure they’d do the same thing
Thing is if they really followed the constitution and the federalist papers, there should have been an overthrow of the government and a rewrite of the constitution every 15 years or so.
They knew stagnant government and a population who got to complacent would be a bad bad thing.
And here we are.
Frankly, if there is any country right now that needs an invasion, El Salvadore seems to be at the top of the list. You running a gulag where you dump people with indefinite sentences and no due process? Yeah, I think it’s time to coup your ass.
Did that ever stop the US when the government wanted to drag someone to the US?
Probably when it’s as public as this, yes.
The US kidnapped people in broad daylight in the middle of Europe and negotiates the release of prisoners with dictatorships on a regular basis. So there’s a wide range of options with precedents.
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Shit hole countries doing shit hole things!
You do know that the Orange Turd is telling this guy to say that.
I think more likely the guy is already dead and no one wants to admit that
It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if they just killed us prisoners sent there since the deal they made i believe is for life
And if the gov didn’t but the guy did have gang ties the gags almost certainly killed him
Didn’t they US used to send special forces out to rescue people like that in the past?
That’s only when you have functioning institutions and a commander in chief that cares about people.
Obviously because Trump told him to say this. They’re trying to baffle us with bullshit.
The guy is a fucking dictator. Dictators can do whatever the hell they want. In the lead up to the Iraq war, Saddam was accused of locking tons of innocent people up. In an attempt to placate this, he ordered all prisoners to be released. All Iraqi prisons were empty and prisoners were set free. Even the ones that abso-fucking-lutely did things that are criminal in any society (ex: murder and armed robbery), it didn’t help his international reputation in the slightest.
That fucker could release all of the prisoners sent to him on a whim.
I wish death to all monarchs and dictators. They deserve nothing else.
Didn’t the court order that Rubio has to facilitate? Get your ass over there and start kissing another presidents ass Rubio. You are damn good at it.
It’s good to see them finally getting tough on the wrongly convicted.
Convicted?
Demand that the daily budget + 10% for ICE is withheld every day until those prisoners are returned. None of those bootlicking thugs should get paid until these people are returned.
Take the money confiscated, and distribute it evenly amongst the victims families.
Didn’t they US used to send special forces out to rescue people like that in the past?
You’ve watched too much Jack Ryan/Tom Clancy propaganda.
There are literally photos of delta guys in skate helmets doing this during Operation Acid Gambit.
Yeah sure, they’ll do that… for cia agents.
The guy in question here wasn’t trying to overthrow a non US aligned government.
On that, we are in complete agreement. We will do whatever it takes if it’s feasible and the admin actually wants the person back.
Pretending any nuclear nation couldn’t get one man (or his corpse) back from a Central American prison is a farce.
It is funny how all the things our lawmakers and pundits call “national security” don’t actually ever seem to do anything to guarantee our physical safety. Kinda like how “the economy” doesn’t have much to do with how close most of us are to poverty.
National security, the economy, welfare, etc are not meant for the likes of me and you. It’s meant for the rich and powerful, and all of the above is working exactly as it should… for them.
The truth is the US is essentially invincible when it comes to its actual physical security. The US dominates the North American continent. To the north and south it borders (until recently) friendly nations that have a fraction of our population and economy. Canada and Mexico could put up a good fight and insurgency if the US tried to invade and annex them, but the idea of either starting a war of aggression against the US is comical. It would be downright suicidal for either to voluntarily start a war to try and conquer territory from the US.
To the east and west, the US has two vast oceans. No Eastern Hemisphere power is ever going to be able to build a sufficient force to try to directly invade the US mainland. Not only does the US have a vast navy, the distances involved are simply insane. The only way an Eastern Hemisphere power would ever have hostile troops on US soil is if there were some civil war within the US that a foreign power involved itself in.
And to top it all off, the US maintains the most powerful nuclear arsenal on the planet. A nuclear bombardment is really the only threat to the US’s physical security, and the US would make sure that this was an act of suicide on the part of its attacker.
Oh, and just for fun, the US is absolutely awash in civilian firearms. We can’t even keep our children from getting a hold of them and shooting up schools. And that’s just a handful of troubled kids. Imagine what it would look like if some foreign power actually tried to put troops on the ground in the US. We literally have enough guns to put a firearm in the hands of every man, woman, and child in the country. We’re a nation of gun nuts with a cultural that celebrates and fetishizes militant independence and resistance.
The only real threat to the US’s physical safety is internal. If the US ever falls, it will be because of our own internal instability, not because of some hostile invasion by a foreign power.
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It’s only been five years since we did that exact thing in Nigeria…
I think it’s time the US invade El Salvador and depose this bastard.
Well, not the first time US deposed a president, but I’m sure this one will stay in power
