I know it’s a hot topic in both the real world, and online, but I suspect not a huge shock to those learned individuals. I doubt the Scottish Government will be appealing, I suspect Swinney keen to put it behind the SNP. A sad day for trans women. I’m sure they, and their allies, will campaign on to try to persuade the UK government to amend the various acts next.
Edit: locking this post to stop fly-bys. As a mod I don’t want to see the discourse descend further than what has already been posted
What is the definition of “biological female” in this instance? Chromosomes? Being born with a uterus? Because I have some bad news for them if they think human (or any) biology is that neat and tidy.
I suspect no penis is what they will be going with, but it isn’t very clear to me either
Their ruling does the opposite of clearing up the matter. It just invites further questions. Which means further legal cases. That’s on top of this ruling being plain cruel.
If lack of peen makes you a woman then there are plenty of conditions that can cause this. By accident or by birth.
It’s an infuriating ruling on many levels.
Pretty straightforward.
See how a female sheep is a ewe and a male sheep is a ram. Have you ever struggled with that one?
So if a ewe is infertile…it’s still a ewe. If it has any other factor’s that add questions, it’s still pretty clear what makes a ewe and what makes a ram.
Pretending like the 1000s of years of human history and the 100,000s of years of Homosapiens is all of a sudden thrown in to question due to semantics is not an argument.
We are all well aware of what a Biological Woman (a female human adult) is and. A Biological Man (a male Human Adult) is.
Who except a farmer is ever in a situation where getting the sex of a sheep right actually matters? I’m sure if you put a sheep on sex hormones and gave it some surgery you’d convince me to answer the other way, and I’m sure as fuck not chromosome testing the sheep to find out.
So is it based on genitalia? Is it chromosomes? Is it what your birth certificate says? How does any of this affect intersex people? How do you intend on actually checking without it being both ludicrously impractical and invasive? And if you say “I can always tell,” no, you can’t. You do not know when you can’t tell. That’s what not being able to tell is.
It’s not about “being able to tell” it’s about reality.
Are you seriously telling me you don’t understand what a female and a male is. I grew up in the 90s. We all knew then. It’s pretty straightforward.
We used to have common sense. Now we have lost it.
Right, so how do you personally tell? Is it just by guessing based on their appearance, voice, and name? Because if so, that’s exactly what I’m talking about
The joy is I don’t have to guess. If you have to prove it through your biological sex then it’s pretty straightforward. What are you. It’s one of two options.
There is however a large majority who you can tell on the markers you have noted. However, what does the law state now?
We have biological Sex. So that’s how you define it. Easy. How do you prove to your gas supplier where you live? You show proof of address.
Right, so you do just think you can tell. Glad we got there in the end
Biology does not care for simple categorisations. Remember Caster Semenya and all the shit the world flung at her?
So are we all carrying our birth certificates around just in case there’s a particularly zealous dick inspector outside the bathrooms?
I wouldn’t see any problems with having to prove your sex to join a gym or the likes. No. That’s fine.
I also didn’t say “I can tell” I said there are ways to tell with certain people. Your ignorance of humanity is wild.
Yeah, you did say
Right, and for every other sex-segregated space that is regularly brought up in these discussions and which doesn’t require registration beforehand? What about the bathrooms at a restaurant? I don’t need a membership to go to the local swimming pool. If I get arrested I’m not likely to have my birth certificate on me.