Mandatory military service and nuclear weapons may be new ideas for Canadians, but other friendly democracies have been using these strategies for decades.
You are certifiable. No one but you is talking about the draft. No one is incarcerated for skipping school, but it is mandatory. You keep bringing up nonsense that does not need to exist.
I’ve already refuted your nonsense. You keep invoking the ghosts of authoritarian conscription and refuse to accept the parallels between an enhanced fundamental education with a coop portion and invoke your own irrational fears.
Disingenuous argumentative trolling. Welcome to my ban list.
Conscription is authoritarian, definitionally. Education and conscription are two entirely different things and it is wildly disingenuous to try and equate them.
Cute line, I’m not trolling though. If you’re unwilling to defend your position then just stop responding, stop making a spectacle of yourself.
I was heated, sure. I responded to the notion that conscription can or should be brought here the same way I would if someone said “times are tough were going to have to start using slave labor to save the economy.” Mandatory enlistment, forcing everyone in society to join the military, is equivalent to that, in my opinion. It is one of the most objectionable things any society has ever done, in my opinion.
I completely agree with you that mandatory enlistment is essentially never acceptable as if a conflict is so dire, you’d expect citizens to feel empowered to join the fight without fear of penalty or retribution if they didn’t.
That being said, I think most of what you were replying to was not an argument for mandatory enlistment, they were suggesting that we might want to include a couple years of work placements following high school, with one option being military service but other choices being available and none decided by the government. I also believe they were suggesting that the penalty for not doing so would be similar to penalties for not attending high school and not what we’ve seen countries implement as penalties for conscription. I’m not saying that plan is perfect but I can at least see a significant nuance between their suggestion and military conscription.
I think a big part of this miscommunication was the language used earlier, like civil service and conscientious objectors. In a system like you’ve described, i don’t think that having that as an option is necessarily a bad thing so long as it is voluntary. There are lots of benefits to programs that incentivise community service. I don’t particularly like the way we recruit high schoolers into the military already, I genuinely just think a lot of the practice is manipulative and misleading. But so long as it is voluntary, it is what it is.
You are certifiable. No one but you is talking about the draft. No one is incarcerated for skipping school, but it is mandatory. You keep bringing up nonsense that does not need to exist.
I think we’re done here.
I never said anything about incarceration for skipping school. Skipping school and refusing the draft are 2 entirely different things.
If you can’t or don’t want to defend your position, you’re not obligated to do so.
I’ve already refuted your nonsense. You keep invoking the ghosts of authoritarian conscription and refuse to accept the parallels between an enhanced fundamental education with a coop portion and invoke your own irrational fears.
Disingenuous argumentative trolling. Welcome to my ban list.
Conscription is authoritarian, definitionally. Education and conscription are two entirely different things and it is wildly disingenuous to try and equate them.
Cute line, I’m not trolling though. If you’re unwilling to defend your position then just stop responding, stop making a spectacle of yourself.
Just FYI, you’re the only one making a spectacle of themselves in this thread.
I was heated, sure. I responded to the notion that conscription can or should be brought here the same way I would if someone said “times are tough were going to have to start using slave labor to save the economy.” Mandatory enlistment, forcing everyone in society to join the military, is equivalent to that, in my opinion. It is one of the most objectionable things any society has ever done, in my opinion.
I completely agree with you that mandatory enlistment is essentially never acceptable as if a conflict is so dire, you’d expect citizens to feel empowered to join the fight without fear of penalty or retribution if they didn’t.
That being said, I think most of what you were replying to was not an argument for mandatory enlistment, they were suggesting that we might want to include a couple years of work placements following high school, with one option being military service but other choices being available and none decided by the government. I also believe they were suggesting that the penalty for not doing so would be similar to penalties for not attending high school and not what we’ve seen countries implement as penalties for conscription. I’m not saying that plan is perfect but I can at least see a significant nuance between their suggestion and military conscription.
I think a big part of this miscommunication was the language used earlier, like civil service and conscientious objectors. In a system like you’ve described, i don’t think that having that as an option is necessarily a bad thing so long as it is voluntary. There are lots of benefits to programs that incentivise community service. I don’t particularly like the way we recruit high schoolers into the military already, I genuinely just think a lot of the practice is manipulative and misleading. But so long as it is voluntary, it is what it is.