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“I’ll lay it out…”
and then you literally repeat your false assumption and extrapolation.
again, not going to get you anywhere.
you are either not reading or ignoring my comments before responding to them. all you have to do is read what you are writing carefully and what I wrote to find 1) your fabrication or 2) my very clear explanation and OPs admission of the racism that he and others are not bothered by, while I am.
I’m not sure if you’re looking for 1 or 2, although yes it does seem like you’re just pretending not to understand either since both of them are written so clearly.
if you actually have such severe trouble with reading comprehension and can only fixate on single sentences taken out of context:
once you realize which part of your question you are fabricating that is not in my comments, as it is the foundation of your atgument, you’ll notice how you’re invalidating your own questions and argument.
I’m literally making the extrapolation in order to ask you if I understand correctly - literally so that you have the opportunity to correct my interpretation of your position before I get too far into responding - yet you seem extremely unwilling to engage with it besides saying that I am still misunderstanding you.
It sounds like I initially misunderstood you to be saying that you believed this specific image was racist - it would have been a lot faster for you to just say that I interpreted your comment wrong instead of accusing me of malice and avoiding any clarification that could tell me what part of my assumption was wrong.
If you do not believe this specific frame is racist but it’s solely the problematic episodes that make this use problematic, you can just say so. There is nothing wrong with being misunderstood, that’s not on you and any fair person wouldn’t hold that against you. But if you never actually clarify then there can be no discussion. Unless you prefer that people continue to misunderstand you. Genuinely trying to be charitable here by trying to hear out your reasoning, but it feels impossible to actually discuss anything when any every attempt to understand what the other side is met with “you are being obtuse and/or deliberately misunderstanding and all I will say is keep reading my existing comments”. That gets us nowhere, and I honestly think you would have been better received in this comments section if you weren’t so defensive.
“literally making the extrapolation in order to ask you if I understand correctly”
there is no reason for you to fabricate, assume or extrapolate in order to ask if you understand something correctly.
you are taking those extra steps so that you can repeat your false assumptions and extrapolations.
but again, the record is above.
“…trying to be charitable…”
no you are not, you are repeating a false accusation so that your false questions look valid, despite their lack of foundation in the material.
“trying to hear out your reasoning”
my reasoning is very clearly laid out in the above comments.
if there is something you genuinely don’t understand, you can directly ask about those comments you don’t understand without any attached assumptions or fabrications.
don’t make things up, stop extrapolating on the things you make up and ask a direct question.
or take a hike.
Sure, but I’m not asking if I understand your conclusion correctly, that’s very clear that you find Bugs Bunny problematic. I’m asking what your reasoning is to connect some racist episodes to the whole character / cartoon being a problem, yet you refuse to give it, so I have to resort to guessing and asking you if I’m correct. You can attack me all you want for trying to figure out what your reasoning is but it really comes off poorly when you are the one who is hiding the reasoning and then accusing anyone who is trying to figure it out of fabricating things. That’s exactly why I asked if I understood correctly very directly like so:
Yet you gave no response.
Again, you call my attempts to clarify your position “false accusations and extrapolations”, yet never actually set the record straight.
Is asking you how “if you recognize that some episodes are racist that this makes this frame also racist” is making a false accusation and not asking a genuine question for further explanation, then I don’t know what to tell you my guy.
All I’ve gathered so far is that you believe that because some Bugs Bunny episodes are racist, it should not be used anywhere. I have been attempting over the course of this entire discussion to get you to clarify anything deeper than that, such as how you draw the connection between some episodes being racist and the entire character being inappropriate for any use, but every attempt I have made to get you to add more details behind your thought process has been basically met with “you should already understand my position” and every attempt to propose a plausible reasoning for you to either agree or correct me on has been met with “you are maliciously assuming my position which I will not clarify beyond my initial position of Bugs Bunny being racist and this use being problematic”.
That is exactly what I have been doing. Are you genuinely saying that these statements appear to you to be malicious assumptions and fabrications and not attempts to directly ask you about things I don’t understand? You have not responded to a single one with an actual clarification aside from accusing me of making false accusations without actually setting me correct.
I’ll try this again
My question for you is: is your complaint that the existence of some racist Bugs Bunny episodes makes any usage of the Bugs Bunny character problematic? I am not assuming or fabricating this, I am asking you if this is the correct interpretation of your complaints. If you can’t give a straight answer then there is no way I can provide a response.
This is pretty uncharitable tbh.
“I’m asking what your reasoning is beyond there being some racist episodes”
no you are not.
“so I have to resort to guessing”
no you don’t, you can always ask directly rather than attempting to mislead the conversation and my reasoning first.
“hiding the reasoning”
my reasoning is very explicit, specific and publicly available above.
you want to pretend it is not, that’s your problem.
“the record straight.”
my reasoning is very explicit, specific and publicly available above.
your reading comprehension and fear of asking direct questions is your problem.
“me of making false accusations without actually setting me correct.”
this is the proper way to deal with leading questions based on fabrications.
if you want to ask a serious, direct question, try it without fabricating beforehand and then asking leading questions.
dare ya.
This is literally a false accusation and a misinterpretation of my comment, literally what you are accusing me of. Plus, I literally asked you exactly what your reasoning is:
Bro, is this not direct enough for you?
Again you are dodging answering by throwing accusations instead of doing the charitable thing and just clarifying yourself.
Let me try to find your reasoning. Literally the last comment you made that has any substance was 6 comments ago:
So I see:
I have re-read every comment you have made, including the 6 prior ones that provide no additional substance, and I see no mention of what your threshold is for determining that the entire character or cartoon is racist or how you reason that some episodes taints the entire franchise.
Do I really need to re-include again the list of very direct questions I’ve asked so far which you have been dodging?
I think your first mistake is assuming that a question is an accusation. Have you never heard of re-stating someone else’s opinion to ask if you understand it? You have some serious persecution complex if simply asking if your view is xyz based on my best attempt to read and understand your comments is viewed as an attack.
Again, you completely ignored the serious and direct question I just asked:
In case you need some reading comprehension help, this is what a question looks like.
“is this not direct enough”
disclaiming a question with 20 paragraphs of fabrication is not direct enough for me, no.
“Let me try to find your reasoning.”
sure why not keep guessing instead of asking directly?
working out so well for you so far.
“So I see…”
you assume.
“if simply asking if your view is xyz”
you should try this!
gokd luck.
Third time’s the charm?
took you nine comments to get there, not three, but good work.
“is your complaint…”
nope, but that doesnt help.