You’re obsessed with this singular logical example I provided but you refuse to answer my main question. It’s odd.
I’m going to ask again: what about someone declaring “down votes don’t affect behavioral outcomes” made you go straight to: “wow. You have so much in common with nazis”.
I’ve asked this like three or four times, and each reply you write focuses only on the bad logic about the analogy I provided earlier.
Why won’t you answer my main question? Is it because it makes you seem unhinged? I’m not interested in judging you. I’m just curious why? Why was that the first thing that you thought to write? Why won’t you answer this question? So far you’ve only talked about the analogy I gave and it’s been like three or four replies. I’m really curious.
It’s the context. I’ve seen you argue in a few other threads in a similar way. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you have an intellectual disability that makes the importance of context hard to grasp. It’s very common with some forms of autism. I’m choosing to believe this because the other option is that you’re just another conservative who is “just asking questions”, which is a classic alt-right approach and is exactly the kind of obdurate behaviour the OP is taking about.
Premise
Who you fight with, who you fight against, what you fight for, when you choose to fight. These are all often more important than what you’re arguing. In this case:
Background
The prompt was “don’t waste your effort fighting people who only argue out of malice and are not open to changing their beliefs”
I said “sure, but that should be balanced by the importance of making Nazis feel unwelcome. At the minimum put in the effort to downvote them”
Buddy replies “no, that won’t work don’t bother”
Who you fight with:
Sure he had an argument that COULD be discussed, but in this case it’s important to note that MOST people who argue for "not putting in even minimal effort to fight Nazis " are Nazis.
who you fight against
Yes, I’m sure you’ll point out that he didn’t say not to put in effort to fight Nazis. But in this context he’s ONLY arguing against downvotes for Nazis. It’s not like he presented alternatives.
what you fight for, when you choose to fight
In this case he’s fighting for not downvoting Nazis, and he’s only arguing this point in this context where his arguments support not downvoting Nazis. There is no value of “downvotes don’t work” that he’s arguing for in dozens of threads… Just this one time, in this one context where the argument is against downvoting Nazis.
Final notes
Against, I’m well aware of minor technical assumptions implicit in the text. I’ve tried to minimize them or address them ahead of time to allow you to see the importance of context in what people will support our fight against. I’m sure you can write 1000 words to try to pick apart what I’ve said, or just 3 words to dismiss it. But if you try, you’ll understand that context is more important to most people than content, especially in a public setting like Lemmy where you can’t vet the people you’re talking to ahead of time. If you want to genuinely argue content you have to make sure the context isn’t working against you.
Wow. right out of the gate straight to personal insults. Why can’t anyone on this damn platform argue an argument straight? Why is every goddamn response so emotionally loaded? Are y’all incapable of having a simple conversation about a topic? Any topic? I feel like this is just Rhoeri’s alt. I don’t care any more. Y’all go fuck yourself.
None of the context changes anything. Downvotes don’t affect behavioral outcomes whether you like it or not. So calling op a nazi has zero impact on the discussion except for shit stirring, which is clearly the goal of Rhoeri. I’m done.
Crazy that you didn’t engage with a clearly laid out argument after spending 10 replies arguing that other people aren’t “engaging with your argument”. Also being autistic isn’t an insult.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink.
NTs don’t need the importance of context explained to them.
You still haven’t engaged with the argument.
Seems like you’re all “emotional arguments” and “insults” now that someone ACTUALLY answered your question and you didn’t like the answer. Wonder why no one else wanted to do it.
No amount of context warranted calling OP a nazi for simply stating “downvotes don’t effect behavioral outcomes” . Nothing in your asinine insults or wall of text provided any reason whatsoever for calling OP a Nazi for simply making an observation. You can play your psychoanalysis games all day and continute with your insults if that’s what you enjoy
I don’t see where I called him a Nazi. All I said is that he’s contextually aligned with the Nazi position. That’s just circumstantial. Unfortunate for him that he didn’t realise what he was doing, if it wasn’t his intention.
But you keep reacting emotionally and finding excuses not to engage with my argument… Weird…
You’re obsessed with this singular logical example I provided but you refuse to answer my main question. It’s odd.
I’m going to ask again: what about someone declaring “down votes don’t affect behavioral outcomes” made you go straight to: “wow. You have so much in common with nazis”.
I’ve asked this like three or four times, and each reply you write focuses only on the bad logic about the analogy I provided earlier.
Why won’t you answer my main question? Is it because it makes you seem unhinged? I’m not interested in judging you. I’m just curious why? Why was that the first thing that you thought to write? Why won’t you answer this question? So far you’ve only talked about the analogy I gave and it’s been like three or four replies. I’m really curious.
It’s the context. I’ve seen you argue in a few other threads in a similar way. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you have an intellectual disability that makes the importance of context hard to grasp. It’s very common with some forms of autism. I’m choosing to believe this because the other option is that you’re just another conservative who is “just asking questions”, which is a classic alt-right approach and is exactly the kind of obdurate behaviour the OP is taking about.
Premise Who you fight with, who you fight against, what you fight for, when you choose to fight. These are all often more important than what you’re arguing. In this case:
Background The prompt was “don’t waste your effort fighting people who only argue out of malice and are not open to changing their beliefs” I said “sure, but that should be balanced by the importance of making Nazis feel unwelcome. At the minimum put in the effort to downvote them” Buddy replies “no, that won’t work don’t bother”
Who you fight with: Sure he had an argument that COULD be discussed, but in this case it’s important to note that MOST people who argue for "not putting in even minimal effort to fight Nazis " are Nazis.
who you fight against Yes, I’m sure you’ll point out that he didn’t say not to put in effort to fight Nazis. But in this context he’s ONLY arguing against downvotes for Nazis. It’s not like he presented alternatives.
what you fight for, when you choose to fight In this case he’s fighting for not downvoting Nazis, and he’s only arguing this point in this context where his arguments support not downvoting Nazis. There is no value of “downvotes don’t work” that he’s arguing for in dozens of threads… Just this one time, in this one context where the argument is against downvoting Nazis.
Final notes Against, I’m well aware of minor technical assumptions implicit in the text. I’ve tried to minimize them or address them ahead of time to allow you to see the importance of context in what people will support our fight against. I’m sure you can write 1000 words to try to pick apart what I’ve said, or just 3 words to dismiss it. But if you try, you’ll understand that context is more important to most people than content, especially in a public setting like Lemmy where you can’t vet the people you’re talking to ahead of time. If you want to genuinely argue content you have to make sure the context isn’t working against you.
Wow. right out of the gate straight to personal insults. Why can’t anyone on this damn platform argue an argument straight? Why is every goddamn response so emotionally loaded? Are y’all incapable of having a simple conversation about a topic? Any topic? I feel like this is just Rhoeri’s alt. I don’t care any more. Y’all go fuck yourself.
None of the context changes anything. Downvotes don’t affect behavioral outcomes whether you like it or not. So calling op a nazi has zero impact on the discussion except for shit stirring, which is clearly the goal of Rhoeri. I’m done.
Crazy that you didn’t engage with a clearly laid out argument after spending 10 replies arguing that other people aren’t “engaging with your argument”. Also being autistic isn’t an insult.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink.
Sure thing, calling someone with an intellectual disability in your asinine preamble sure wasn’t meant as an insult. Rhoeri, get a hobby.
NTs don’t need the importance of context explained to them.
You still haven’t engaged with the argument.
Seems like you’re all “emotional arguments” and “insults” now that someone ACTUALLY answered your question and you didn’t like the answer. Wonder why no one else wanted to do it.
No amount of context warranted calling OP a nazi for simply stating “downvotes don’t effect behavioral outcomes” . Nothing in your asinine insults or wall of text provided any reason whatsoever for calling OP a Nazi for simply making an observation. You can play your psychoanalysis games all day and continute with your insults if that’s what you enjoy
I don’t see where I called him a Nazi. All I said is that he’s contextually aligned with the Nazi position. That’s just circumstantial. Unfortunate for him that he didn’t realise what he was doing, if it wasn’t his intention.
But you keep reacting emotionally and finding excuses not to engage with my argument… Weird…
I don’t if you’re Rhoeris alt or not, but this is what they wrote:
To the simple statement:
That’s it. I don’t know if youre trolling, but if you are, it has to be the saddest thing ive seen all week.
Apparently…. You’re me? I’m not sure how this is supposed to work. Is there some weird sci-if melding thing that’s supposed to happen?