Vice President JD Vance flew to Rome hoping to meet with Pope Francis. Instead, the Pope skipped the meeting entirely—and sent his top cardinal to deliver a pointed message about compassion and car…
The catholic church strongly opposed the Nazis. A lot of christians were killed by the Nazis because of this. The pope is more like:
like:
“Fuck, not those guys again”
I was gonna say, IIRC the Nazis kept trying to hide in ancient cathedrals, because they thought the allies wouldn’t bomb them. The Pope at the time told the allies to burn and bomb the Nazis out.
Would you like to refute the statement instead of just saying they don’t know what they’re talking about?
I’ll start - Catholics were amongst (there were many) the first groups that the Nazis started targeting. It’s not a coincidence that the intellectuals, the Jews, the Catholics, etc. were also the ones that had some reaallly nice silverware that would look great in the Fuhrer’s country home. If nothing else, Catholics would be acting in their self-interest to oppose the Nazis.
It’s less black and white than either of you guys are implying. You’re taking about Pope Pius XII, who was Pope from 1939 to 1958. He’s credited with saving hundreds of thousands of Jews through various means, including support to the resistance, but also by showing some had been converted/baptized, which in itself was controversial. But he also feared the Nazis were going to win the war and that the church would have to exist in a Nazi world. He never clearly spoke out against the holocaust, and though a lot of the things he said, including his sermons, can be taken as condemnation of Jewish persecution, the language was pretty subtle. Also, Hitler had an envoy secretly meeting with Pius from pretty early on, which many say was bad in itself. Still, he also helped the allies with intelligence, to the point where Hitler accused him of espionage and had plans to kidnap him.
That’s really interesting, thanks! I have no problem with being told I’m wrong, I do have a problem with someone just saying “lol you’re wrong” with no evidence.
The catholic church strongly opposed the Nazis. A lot of christians were killed by the Nazis because of this. The pope is more like: like: “Fuck, not those guys again”
I was gonna say, IIRC the Nazis kept trying to hide in ancient cathedrals, because they thought the allies wouldn’t bomb them. The Pope at the time told the allies to burn and bomb the Nazis out.
🤣 What??? Holy shit, lack of historical knowledge batman!
Would you like to refute the statement instead of just saying they don’t know what they’re talking about?
I’ll start - Catholics were amongst (there were many) the first groups that the Nazis started targeting. It’s not a coincidence that the intellectuals, the Jews, the Catholics, etc. were also the ones that had some reaallly nice silverware that would look great in the Fuhrer’s country home. If nothing else, Catholics would be acting in their self-interest to oppose the Nazis.
It’s less black and white than either of you guys are implying. You’re taking about Pope Pius XII, who was Pope from 1939 to 1958. He’s credited with saving hundreds of thousands of Jews through various means, including support to the resistance, but also by showing some had been converted/baptized, which in itself was controversial. But he also feared the Nazis were going to win the war and that the church would have to exist in a Nazi world. He never clearly spoke out against the holocaust, and though a lot of the things he said, including his sermons, can be taken as condemnation of Jewish persecution, the language was pretty subtle. Also, Hitler had an envoy secretly meeting with Pius from pretty early on, which many say was bad in itself. Still, he also helped the allies with intelligence, to the point where Hitler accused him of espionage and had plans to kidnap him.
That’s really interesting, thanks! I have no problem with being told I’m wrong, I do have a problem with someone just saying “lol you’re wrong” with no evidence.