As an unfortunate USian, I get a small panic attack any time the red option is shown as the winner of an election. Good on Y’all for not catching too much of our crazy.
I am a fan. I have joy.
I’m not Canadian, Thank you Canada, there is hope after all.
Its complicated; I cant really see the hope for these reasons. Canada had a housing crisis 10 years ago, prices were way too high relative to incomes. The shortage then worsened and prices ratcheted up as we increased immigration.
In 2023 we had huge asset price inflation like most places, due to QE from the Bank of Canada that was used to fund Covid stimulus, which caused asset values to skyrocket. We took in over a million people that year to sustain asset prices and keep wages depressed. This is known as the phillips curve, its generally expected wages rise after inflation due to wage pressure, as people ask for raises to deal with the rising cost of living.
https://thehub.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Fig1_AnnualPopulationGrowth_graph_v1-1170x839.jpg
Canada’s main cities are now within the top 10 most expensive cities in the world. The income required to afford to live there is above 200k, while the median wage is only 70k a year.
https://globalnews.ca/news/10572326/impossibly-unaffordable-housing-vancouver-report/
Carney promised to cap immigration at 1% population growth a year, which is 415,000 people a year. Annual deaths are at around 320,000, and births about 360,000 people, so we will grow at around 465,000 people a year. Given in 2022 we welcomed the most we have ever welcomed at 405,000, where prices were already rising dramatically, I dont see how the cost of living gets any better for young people. I actually dont see a single change to the existing Liberal plan at all, they were basically expecting that exact same number in 2022.
There’s hope but this was too close. The Conservatives upped their numbers as did the Liberals. It was only the progressive/reasonable vote banding together that saved the day.
So crazy that the Conservative Party still has 144 seats given that they’ve basically signed on to a policy of foreign occupation.
Feels like I’m watching liberated France send Philippe Pétain back in as the Loyal Opposition with 40% of the vote.
That’s not what their base believes. There is a whole other fantasy reality in their channels about how Carney has planned all along to cut a secret deal with Trump after the election. Other justification narratives probably exist as well, because they have to keep people believing that obviously, everyone knows we couldn’t possibly do anything other than completely fold into Trump’s plans. They spew propagandistic garbage like this and teach people to distrust legit media that understands context and checks facts rather than running with conspiracy theories based on flimsy evidence.
The conservatives still turned out a lot of votes. The left just voted strategically to keep them out. Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again. Given the parties recent history even if it isn’t Poilievre I’m sure they will pick another alt right sycophant.
Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again.
Rather than settling for the investment banker, they could all rally around a candidate that’s interested in social good.
The Left doesn’t have to split.
The left has to get their shit together before that can happen. Right now the left cares more about purity tests over being effective.
Right now the left cares more about purity tests
People care about who they can trust. Far to much liberal politics revolves around lying, cheating, and scamming voters, donors, and activists.
You can’t have a viable Left in a country that’s too cynical to believe better things are possible.
People are gonna hate this but here it is…
From my point of view as a disabled Canadian with a young family, who is close to many members of the local first Nations community, the left is as fascist as the right.
They treat minorities and disabled people like chattel. We live in poverty and are actively pursued if we attempt to bring ourselves out of it. At the same time they bail out our own billionaire olygarchs who have much more than they could ever need. They allow them to flaunt the laws of our country and give them a mere “slap on the wrist” for any infractions though they could pay hundreds of millions easily that could be used for better services for all Canadians.
Let’s all start calling it what it is and stop being nice about things. They need us to be poor and sick so there is fear in the so called middle class of ending up like us. Of losing everything because you got sick or hurt at work. Maybe your skin is the wrong color, your sex isn’t typical or your government has been trying to exterminate you for your entire existence. One little misstep or even something out of your control and your life is fucked forever.
They need you to go to work and to vote for them. They need you not to challenge them and hate one another because of your political beliefs, your racism or sexism, or your implied class. They need you to forget about us and argue with us. They need you to keep us down. And you do.
Until someone starts standing up for the little guys over here screaming at you, we will continue to be a fascist dictatorship to a portion of our population and the vast majority of people on both sides of the political spectrum couldn’t give a fuck.
Not if we have ranked choice voting with proportional representation.
Ranked choice doesn’t make sense in a proportional representation system.
@SpaceCowboy @sik0fewl Proportional RCV does indeed exist https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/proportional-ranked-choice-voting/
It got closer overnight.
Thoroughly hilarious. Go away Chode boy, nobody likes you!
PP gone forever? Or is CPC somehow going to give him another seat so he can stay leader?
They can’t give him someone else’s seat. They can ask someone else to resign their seat and he can run in a byelection for that seat but the prime minister (Carney) can wait up to 6 months before calling the byelection, which itself can have a campaign period of up to 50 days.
So if Carney wants to, he can keep PP out of office until at least next year.
The other cool thing is that PP is no longer eligible to occupy Stornoway House, the residence of the leader of the official opposition, since PP no longer has a seat. This means he has to move out and he loses access to the $200k year budget for household staff. So he’ll have to get out there and look for housing like the rest of us plebs (though he can easily afford it).
I wish he’d try working a real job for once in his life.
But realistically, if he we’re going to step down willingly it would have occurred last night. We’ll see if the party sacrifices another MP to let him stay on. Fucking guy.
The latter. This ghoul is not going away.
Yes, that’s where the drama will unfold next. Will there be a civil war, and how many factions will be involved?
Split the right like the left? Sorry, I can only get so erect
Are you young?
The whole saga of how the modern CPC came to fruition was such a back stabby shitshow
FUCK OFF BACK HOME PIERRE HAHAHAHAHAHA 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
If Canada had Australian-style preferential voting (i.e. you numbered your candidates in order of preference, and if your first choice got eliminated, your vote cascaded to your second, and so on until it was tallied for your least-disliked of the two leading candidates), the Liberals would have a significantly more comfortable margin (assuming that they got most of the Greens’ preferences and at least half of the NDP)
I believe the whole world would be in much better shape if everyone handled elections like Australia. We certainly wouldn’t have had Trump ever here. When more people vote the Democrats win every time.
I strongly support mandatory voting. If you’re against voting at all for whatever reason, just turn in a blank form. And I’m no big fan of the Democrats, but they wouldn’t be kidnapping people to send them to concentration camps.
If we had ranked choice or some other system, dems and repubs would both lose to third parties that actually represent the people
We were supposed to get election reform after the liberals won in 2015 and I’m still quite bitter about it
You will never get it top down. The major parties all prefer and benefit from different systems.
If you truely care about electoral reform your best bet is bottom up. Start getting your preferred form into municipal elections. We almost had that in Ontario until Doug showed up and fucked us.
Actually, I live in the first municipality in Canada to use ranked choice voting-- until the provincial government enacted a bill that disallowed it in 2020.
I’ve also been around long enough to have voted in the last Ontario referendum on the topic. It did not go well because people didn’t understand what was being proposed. Same story for BC’s referendum.
I’m merely pointing out the recurring theme over the last couple of decades where the LPC will make electoral reform promises they never fulfill.
Same regarding the last referendum. When that happened I knew for sure it had to be introduced in a smaller lower stakes way which is why I was pretty happy when London used ranked choice (a bright spot for a city whose politicians suck more often than not). Removing that is one of the things I hate most about Doug.
Well I’m sure they’ll change the status quo that favors them this time.
Not holding my breath
Well done.
Please let Dutton (also, Voldemort, Potatohead etc, Australian conservative leader) be next :)
A very important thing to remember this election: The Conservatives had a 30-point lead and were set to gain over 200 seats in a sweeping majority victory and they blew it. They blew it and their leader lost his own seat. The fact we even have a Liberal minority at all is incredible.
So while the Conservative party still has a lot of seats, enough Canadians disliked PP and his campaign enough to erode a 30 point lead. PP says he is staying on as party leader but his party would be incredibly foolish to keep him. His campaign cost them a historical election victory and the dude can’t even get elected in his own riding.
Happy that the Trump presidency could at least contribute one positive outcome.
PP says he is staying on as party leader but his party would be incredibly foolish to keep him. His campaign cost them a historical election victory and the dude can’t even get elected in his own riding.
You’re not thinking like a Conservative MP. Yess PP lost the run for PM and humiliatingly lost his riding, but overall the party grew in influence and in number of seats tremendously under his leadership. We’re now closer to a two party system, and Conservatives benefit from this tremendously. CPC ate the PPC. I’m 100% sure that they’re chucking this loss to bad luck with Trump timing, they had to reinvent themselves in 3 months. With 2 years of planning (and bootlicking down south), they’ll be better prepared and Poilievre is their winning strategy. In this cycle, the CPC successfully FPTP’ed the NDP and the Greens out of existence. They’re well positioned to a minority govt with Bloc in a few years.
Yess PP lost the run for PM and humiliatingly lost his riding, but overall the party grew in influence and in number of seats tremendously under his leadership.
I agree the Conservatives have grown in influence but I don’t believe it was because of Poilievre. It doesn’t matter who leads the conservative party, the Canadian pendulum was due to swing back to the Cons, he dropped the ball hard, and probably still would have won if it wasn’t for Trump slapping Canada in the face and waking a bunch of us up. Any influence gained was because it was “their turn”, not Poilievre’s leadership.
The question is, did the Conservatives come close to winning because of Poilievre, or did they lose a sure thing because of him? Based on what things looked like 6 months ago, I’d say the latter.
Yeah, I don’t think people wanted Poilievre specifically. They just wanted change.
the Canadian pendulum was due to swing back to the Cons
Sure, for the opposition leader it’s a matter of adding or removing momentum to the pendulum swing. He definitely added a lot of momentum, to the point that the Liberals had to throw the PM and its climate policy under the bus to get one more term. That’s a hell of an effective opposition leader.
Any influence gained was because it was “their turn”, not Poilievre’s leadership.
I’m not saying that he’s a genius or anything, but making good use of your “turn” is not an easy task. He has demonstrated that he’s good at it, to the point of landslide victory projections 6 months ago.
would have won if it wasn’t for Trump slapping Canada in the face
And that’s exactly why it’s going to be easy to brush off his loss. Sure, he’ll face criticism on his failure to pivot the party messaging post-Trudeau, but that was a nearly impossible situation. Would any other CPC MP have done a better job of riling up the conservatives against the Liberals without in the end get blindsided by anti-republican sentiments? Jamil Jivani? I don’t see any reason to believe the CPC will have a better shot with someone else.
If they do end up booting Poilievre out of the leader seat, it will be because the CPC is a bucket of selfish snakes and lizards vying for power. It is possible. Surely someone is salivating at this opportunity. I just find it unlikely, because the vast majority of MPs are satisfied with his work and will simply bide their time, they’ll be better prepared in two years.
Look at the polling. When asked which party people preferred (ignoring leadership) the CPC had way more support than when leadership is considered.
Did you notice the CPC ads in the last week and a half didn’t have PP in them? It’s obvious to everyone (including CPC strategists) that PP drug down the CPC. If the CPC didn’t even have a leader, they would’ve won. But PP led them to defeat.
But I’m not a Conservative, so if half of the CPC wants to remain faithful to PP, I’ll get out my popcorn and enjoy the CPC civil war that’ll happen if PP refuses to step aside.
Trump won the election for the liberals more than anyone else.
Nah, the Liberals deserve the bigger credit. I don’t necessarily think they could have won without Trump shitting the fan for Conservatives but their actions created the necessary conditions for the win: 1) Drop Trudeau; 2) Don’t pick Freeland, pick a white middle age man from the finance industry; 3) Get rid of the consumer carbon pricing; 4) Focus on the economy instead of progressive values. Without any of these, it would have been a CPC win even with Poilievre wearing a MAGA hat.
pick a white middle age man from the finance industry
“We won! What did we win? … fuck, shit.”
Focus on the economy instead of progressive values
What happens when the black hole of an American recession sucks Canada down along with it in another few years?
American liberals played the same game in 2020. They got four years of Biden. Everyone hated it. And then they sent Trump back up into office like '17-'21 never happened.
American liberals played the same game in 2020. They got four years of Biden. Everyone hated it. And then they sent Trump back up into office like '17-'21 never happened.
Carney has a few advantages over Biden: he is actually liked by true Liberals (so far), he’s not senile and landed the job just because he had decades in the party (on the contrary, he has that outsider business-man status that the middle class loves), and he has a nationalist movement timed nicely for him.
That said, it’s still true that…
What happens when the black hole of an American recession sucks Canada down along with it in another few years?
if this tariff bullshit intensifies, Canada will face a recession under Carney and the country will turn to a conservative government - one that will open the doors for American imperialism, bails out corporations, and cuts services that would save lives of the people that will end up in the streets after losing their jobs. I find it very unlikely that this minority liberal government would survive a significant economic downturn, regardless of who would be in charge of it.
he is actually liked by true Liberals
:-/
he’s not senile
:-)
he has that outsider business-man status that the middle class loves
🤮 I have never actually seen a “business-man” candidate that does well on the merits above the office of mayor. Even then, “business guy” mayors tend to be some of the most shamelessly corrupt and despicable people to touch the office.
But I guess he’s one-for-three, which is better than Biden.
I find it very unlikely that this minority liberal government would survive a significant economic downturn, regardless of who would be in charge of it.
The nature of liberal politics is knowing you’re on a pendulum ride and making the best of whatever time you’ve got. Far too often, I see liberals insist they can ride the pendulum through the conservative arc by just pretending at conservative politics for a few years and then going back to being liberals again a few years later. Conservatives, by contrast, leap at the chance to inject every right-popular policy they can when they’re in office and then scream about obstructionism as they lose popular support.
The consequence of these two strategies executed in cycle is a country that keeps getting ratcheted to the right by degrees. A country - like America - was broadly on board with gay rights and carbon caps and universal public health care and public university education twenty years ago. Now we’re obliterating elementary schools, green-lighting coal ash dumping, and hunting transgender people for sport.
If Carney is going to waste the next few years, Canada is going to be even more fucked for his nominal victory than the UK is looking as it goes into a 28% Reform Party cycle.
Indeed. We dodged the bullet but we’re still sliding downhill. The time for conservatives is coming, unfortunately. I just hope that the next time the pendulum swings back, we get some electoral reform done and more modern and sturdy guardrails to soften the next round.
Still, I daydream myself into hope and into action. No one knows what’s coming long term, so I imagine progress. That’s the only way I can function instead of growing apathetic out of despair. Next cycle I’ll be here once more, campaigning ABC.
Electoral reform is one of very few things – possibly the only thing – that could actually avert this otherwise inevitable result. If Carney delivers on housing and pulls an economic miracle out of the hat I’ve never seen him wearing, we’ll maybe defer payment for another election cycle, maybe two.
We probably don’t have that long to stop systematically pitting left and center against each other, paving the way for a worse outcome that represents fewer Canadians than ever before.
But what leader would do better for the party? PP had initially focused on being anti-Trudeau because his party’s policies weren’t going to win. Then, his party got fucked by being associated with Trump and PP tried to keep Trump out of the election.
PP got beat, but he played his political hand relatively well.
My personal belief is that the reason Trudeau resigned is because the Liberal Party got a political consultant to determine what would get the party to a win, and determined that the party needed a more traditional business focused leader to get the win, and that they needed to pick someone with a good image overall. I think where the conservatives failed is picking a pretty faceless generic conservative who is not very accessible and does the old Harper trick of two questions only, and doesn’t even seem to like anything or anybody in Canada very much, and there was no love in particular for the leader, just the Fuck Trudeau crowd banging their endless gong. I think the trouble they have as a party is that none of their members in particular have an appealing personality that connects with people at all, or reflects traditional Canadian values or make anything in the country better, they just gripe about what the Liberals do and try to block it. I do not think many people connect with the empty suits that their party consists of, just angry, stupid or old people who want things to go back in time vote for them, or greedy rich people hoarding wealth.
Unless they get a personable candidate and stay away from social issues like abortion, LGBT issues and the golden calf of health care, they’ll never go anywhere. A tide of ignorance is not going to sway undecided voters, and I think if Canadians have their values threatened we retreat to the safety of the Liberals. I don’t think they have anyone like that in their party at all who could lead, and I don’t think they’re savvy enough to attract someone like that.
I’ll do it. I’m a straight white married man. Business owner with a finance background. I’m also very left wing. I’m the perfect Manchurian candidate.
his party got fucked by being associated with Trump
They fucked themselves by associating with Trump and America’s conservadorism.
Yeah, but what else did they have?
I think it doesn’t matter because it’s never policies that win their game but bullshit. They will have something else,absolutely mundane and replaceable next time.
Pierre Poilievre: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory since 2025
As a woman, a lesbian, a disabled person, and someone who thinks all humans deserve rights… I am so relieved. I voted Liberal for the first time in my life, and was glad to do it - Carney makes me hopeful again for the first time in a long time.
Carney is a neoliberal banker. This guy has abused every tax loop hole in the book. He’s still better than the fascist conservatives, but I won’t be getting my hopes up.
If I could have voted NDP without tossing my vote away into the wind, I would have. Instead of being negative about it, get involved. Call, write, engage, and otherwise communicate with your elected officials, your community; we are lazy and complicit, and it’s shameful.
Sorry. I don’t want to take this feeling of victory away from you. I’m just worried that we just elected more business as usual.
Do you honestly think we can defeat growing world-wide fascism with some letters? Maybe if the letters are a guillotine I don’t see a way forward.
I think we grumble now so we don’t have to fight later. Fascism is the natural end to capitalism; without it, the rich can’t become any richer. Make noise. Get involved. Smart people with compassion are what we need most now.
Hopefully this will signal to the Conservatives that Canadians don’t have any use for a demagogue who attributes the world’s ills to “wokeness,” but I’m not holding my breath.
Conservatives have more seats now so that’s definitely not the lesson they’re learning. Probably this just means that they need to pick a rural district to run their party leader
