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cross-posted from: https://piefed.zip/c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world/p/1899107/of-course
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We love you, Libre Office devs!
It’s the difference between knowing how to market and knowing how to actually build shit.
Turns out, in our modern society, the former is a far more valuable skill than the latter.
Just bullshit your way until you get enough money and resources to actually hire people who know what they’re doing and can build the thing.
It sucks
One guy I used to work with (long before LLMs) built a website for his company and listed a bunch of software there for sale. Except he hadn’t built any software product yet. Once someone contacted him about buying one of the products, then he would build it.
until you get enough money and resources to actually hire people who know what they’re doing and can build the thing.
Has this ever happened? I though the way to go was enshittification of an already inferior product
Blitzscaling. The enshittification comes once the userbase is stable and the company can’t keep bullshitting investors about possible future gains so they have to start cutting.
Turns out, in our modern society, the former is a far more valuable skill than the latter.
that was knows and loudly displayel by all the apple fanbois and Jobs
LibreOffice has the ability to use regex in search&replace, MS Office does not. So why should i use a copy of the inferior product?
Because corporate policies mandate it?
Because Calc has the UI and functionality of Excel 97…and an awful name to boot lol
Hate to say it but anyone adept in Excel (or even Sheets, probably) would agree. It gets the job done but there’s major features missing for a lot of what I’d use it for.
there’s major features missing
Sounds like someone should contribute, lol. I kid, sort of.
99% of people using office products daily will die not knowing how to formulate a regular expression.
99% of people using office products daily will die
True.
Regex save lives
LibreOffice is an awesome piece of kit! On setup, they let you select the “tabbed” UI if you prefer something closer to MS office.
Collabora Office is another one that seems neat, have not used it before though. OnlyOffice has weird Russian ties and GPL incompatible licensing shenanigans, I would avoid them for the most part. WPS Office has the best compatibility with MS Office files on Linux I think, but it’s closed-source so not great either. There’s always running a VM / dual booting if you must use MS Office.
Honestly, MS office files have worked fine on LibreOffice, the only big issue I’ve found is that translucent images are a little broken when going from Impress to PowerPoint (all images share the same opacity for some reason?)
Collabora Office has an overly permissive policy towards AI, and a lot of their commits are vibe-coded.
The three you mentioned in the second paragraph are slop fests now.
I haven’t used any of them in ages, I know Collabora is focused on their online suite. Looking at OnlyOffice’s website, they are positioning themselves as an “AI-first” office suite (the LLM tools have been changed to be optional and installed separately since a recent update, but still a bad look)
And WPS Office was always owned by a Chinese company and continues to be closed-source, so no changes there. Again, the same sort of “AI-first” stuff on their homepage, yikes
On setup, they let you select the “tabbed” UI
On setup it asks you to select one of four UIs, some of them are missing features. Once I spent almost an hour trying to solve a problem, but it turned out it was unsolvable in my UI. I changed the UI and found a solution in a moment.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the fact that OpenOffice exists, but their UI needs a lot of work
LibreOffice, not OpenOffice. I believe LibreOffice was forked from OpenOffice, and the latter hasn’t had any updates in ages.
I imagine that the UI you selected was the one of the “compact” or “single toolbar” options? It is a little confusing that some of the one functions disappear with those, it would be helpful if it was listed which ones were missing
I had thought that OpenOffice was the one that “looked modern and familiar” while libreoffice is the good one but lools older.
You’re confusing OpenOffice (dead project pretty much, hasn’t seen updates in ages) with OnlyOffice (the Russian one with the licensing shenanigans and “AI first” stuff, UI is M365-like and very similar to the LibreOffice “Tabbed” UI)
In my experience, MS Office files tend to have fewer compatibility problems on LibreOffice than on MS Office after the next update.
It’s never that MS Office files don’t work on LibreOffice (formatting is a little different but almost never broken), it’s always files exported from LibreOffice that MS Office misreads (because Microsoft
can’t be bothered to follow standardsare anti-competitive)Can’t be bothered makes them sound lazy. It’s a deliberate method of squashing all competitors. If you can’t send a document to someone else who usrs MS Office and have it appear the same, then you’re going to need to use MS Office. Libre has been calling them out on this for years.
Oops yeah that is a good point! Amended the comment.
The clone is perfect though, vibe coded or not: as it doesn’t work it’s obviously a 1:1 copy that’s just accurately mimicking the original…
Man that sentence was hard for me to parse – browsing threadiverse too early in the tye morning
Love me some good libreoffice. I don’t use anything else on my personal machines.
A friend just sent me a video of someone explaining that this vibe coded PhotoShop version exists and it should be 1:1 on par or something. I dont know if that even makes sense, just manually checking and testing every single feature will take more then the time they claim they have spent on it lol
Does the new one look better or something? Or is it just the fact that it’s AI-written that’s getting people excited?
Apparently it looks identical to MS Office, so it isn’t “better” than MS Office or LibreOffice in a functional sense (arguably less so since it’s probably very buggy code)
I wouldn’t say it’s people (normal people would be using MS Office or LibreOffice most likely) excited that it’s LLM generated, though some AI Bros probably are, I imagine some outlets are promoting this to sell whatever the new model is these days. And when there is a lot of news around a topic, it’s covered by more and more people (something about all press is good press here)
i don’t even know how anybody would trust their documents to such a project
Nothing vibe coded is worth a shit.
I want human creations forever and always!
I’m 100% all in on Libre Office. I’ll use Libre Office until it dies or I die
The only reason we want a clone of ma office is because it’s the standard, not because it’s good…
I thought it was a photoshop clone, not a MS Office clone?
They (multiple parties) are cloning any possible software and games they can.
cloningsloppingedit: fixed
“slopping”
In English, you need another ‘p’ or the ‘o’ is pronounced long.
