The vast majority have simply left. Last I checked, Lemmy has 29K MAUs, while PieFed iirc had something like 7K. The difference between that vs. 200K is an order of magnitude.
Oh yeah the vast majority has left, but that’s always the case, even sites like reddit have an order of magnitude or two more accounts than active users.
But people are acting like MAU has significantly declined over the past two years which it hasn’t really.
We’ve been hovering around 40k MAU in the threadi for 2 good years now.
We’ve been hovering around 40k MAU in the threadi for 2 good years now.
We did have 40-45K for a long time yes, but it’s been falling recently, and just prior to the Fediverse Observer dying it reported that we finally dipped below 30K. We’ve been declining for a very long time - from 65K to 45K, holding steady at 40-45K, now at <30K and falling. Even if you include the 6-7K PieFed, that’s ~35K which is very significantly (~10-25%) below the 40-45K numbers.
And if you search Reddit for what people are saying about us here, it’s extremely clear why that is. e.g.:
We here, who have the early adopter mindset, are willing to put in the time and effort to learn how and what to block. But e.g. the most popular 3rd-party app Voyager does not - by default - show the instance name of each user account, so a new joiner won’t be able to easily distinguish when e.g. someone from the tankie triad is trolling them vs. someone attempting to converse in good faith. Wish and hope as we might - without putting in any actual efforts to change anything mind you - we simply cannot get away from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance principle.
We are a tankie / troll bar, and the vast majority of mainstream non-technical normal folks tell other people that they very much do not enjoy visiting here as a result.
I tried switching to Lemmy a long time ago, but that place is toxic and full of weird people.
There are big pockets of radical tankie communities on Lemmy that like trolling and being toxic
There are a lot more reasons than this but having spent the last 3 years on the fediverse alternatives, and just seen the shit that happens over there, I feel very confident in saying it will not ever serve as a serious Reddit alternative. It will serve as something, but not Reddit
Lemmy is shit. So is reddit but Lemmy is shittier
Any conversation about fleeing Reddit enshittification is DOA when Lemmy is mentioned - not because people have not heard of us, nor bc it is too complicated to make an account, but bc many of them have already been here, reportedly remaining for several years, and finally went back, giving up any hope that things would ever improve here.
Interesting thanks, my 45-35k is basically the same shorthand in my head might have been a bit optimistic.
Obviously people have been saying this for ages, but I think it’s worth recommending instances that don’t federate with the triad. Personally I prefer to make my own federation choices hence being on an instance that federates with basically everyone. But I remember my first lemmy account being on ML and it being an absolute horror as a new user. I wish someone had sent me to lemmy.cafe or something at first haha.
And Lemmy might have caught a bad name, so perhaps I guess we might have better success recommending piefed.
PieFed.zip does not add one of its default user-level instance blocks for the triad for new users does it? I thought it did for two of them but not Lemmy.ml. No major instance does afaict.
Lemmy.cafe is a tiny instance with only tens of users and had enormous technical problems a year or so ago that lasted for months. So I’ve never seen people recommend it since then.
PieFed.zip is about the best instance to recommend for general purposes - Lemmy.zip and programming.dev and discuss.online etc. are also quite nice. But no major ones block ML.
Have you thought about petitioning them to do so? I’m not pushing you to, just curious what your thoughts are there.
They ain’t lurking. They’re not even logging in.
They switched to a different instance
Or to piefed.
The vast majority have simply left. Last I checked, Lemmy has 29K MAUs, while PieFed iirc had something like 7K. The difference between that vs. 200K is an order of magnitude.
Oh yeah the vast majority has left, but that’s always the case, even sites like reddit have an order of magnitude or two more accounts than active users.
But people are acting like MAU has significantly declined over the past two years which it hasn’t really.
We’ve been hovering around 40k MAU in the threadi for 2 good years now.
We did have 40-45K for a long time yes, but it’s been falling recently, and just prior to the Fediverse Observer dying it reported that we finally dipped below 30K. We’ve been declining for a very long time - from 65K to 45K, holding steady at 40-45K, now at <30K and falling. Even if you include the 6-7K PieFed, that’s ~35K which is very significantly (~10-25%) below the 40-45K numbers.
And if you search Reddit for what people are saying about us here, it’s extremely clear why that is. e.g.:
We here, who have the early adopter mindset, are willing to put in the time and effort to learn how and what to block. But e.g. the most popular 3rd-party app Voyager does not - by default - show the instance name of each user account, so a new joiner won’t be able to easily distinguish when e.g. someone from the tankie triad is trolling them vs. someone attempting to converse in good faith. Wish and hope as we might - without putting in any actual efforts to change anything mind you - we simply cannot get away from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance principle.
We are a tankie / troll bar, and the vast majority of mainstream non-technical normal folks tell other people that they very much do not enjoy visiting here as a result.
Any conversation about fleeing Reddit enshittification is DOA when Lemmy is mentioned - not because people have not heard of us, nor bc it is too complicated to make an account, but bc many of them have already been here, reportedly remaining for several years, and finally went back, giving up any hope that things would ever improve here.
Our reputation precedes us.
Interesting thanks, my 45-35k is basically the same shorthand in my head might have been a bit optimistic.
Obviously people have been saying this for ages, but I think it’s worth recommending instances that don’t federate with the triad. Personally I prefer to make my own federation choices hence being on an instance that federates with basically everyone. But I remember my first lemmy account being on ML and it being an absolute horror as a new user. I wish someone had sent me to lemmy.cafe or something at first haha.
And Lemmy might have caught a bad name, so perhaps I guess we might have better success recommending piefed.
PieFed.zip does not add one of its default user-level instance blocks for the triad for new users does it? I thought it did for two of them but not Lemmy.ml. No major instance does afaict.
Lemmy.cafe is a tiny instance with only tens of users and had enormous technical problems a year or so ago that lasted for months. So I’ve never seen people recommend it since then.
PieFed.zip is about the best instance to recommend for general purposes - Lemmy.zip and programming.dev and discuss.online etc. are also quite nice. But no major ones block ML.
Have you thought about petitioning them to do so? I’m not pushing you to, just curious what your thoughts are there.
Called Reddit.