• baines@lemmy.cafe
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    24
    ·
    22 days ago

    on a society level i’d rather the dudes store get looted than constant school shootings but i acknowledge that is selfish

    on a personal level if i was him i’d want a few buddies and ARs for sure

    not sure how you reconcile that as a society, maybe address the issues that caused the original problem

    • jfrnz@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      21
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      22 days ago

      It’s not selfish, just idiotic. There’s no minimum violence bar we need to hit, it’s okay to be against both.

          • baines@lemmy.cafe
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            11
            ·
            21 days ago

            ? now you’ve wondered into another claim i never made

            enjoy the strawman by yourself

            • jfrnz@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              11
              ·
              21 days ago

              on a society level i’d rather the dudes store get looted than constant school shootings

              you can’t have both guns and no guns

              It’s not my strawman, it’s yours.

              • baines@lemmy.cafe
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                7
                ·
                21 days ago

                what strawman? do you even know what the word means? my whole point was wanting guns as defense and not having to deal with schools shootings?

                it can’t be a strawman when it’s been my own argument from the start

                there has been no other engagement by me

                the rest is just you rambling

                lord help you if this is normal for you

    • gastroglizzy@piefed.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      9
      ·
      21 days ago

      maybe address the issues that caused the original problem

      I don’t want to see another gun ban because I know they don’t work. I’d rather see the root causes of violence addressed. If you address poverty, unemployment, homelessness, and mental illness with robust social programs and treat them as the systemic public health issues that they are, bans are unnecessary because crime will be obsolete.

      Banning guns with a law, enforced by police to whom the law does not apply, won’t stop gun violence; it will further entrench the police state.

      If simply having guns lead to gun violence, then other countries with higher rates of gun ownership than the US would have the same problems with gun violence.

      • Therefore@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        21 days ago

        I’d love to know what countries you think have higher rate of gun ownership than the states. Maybe look that one up?

        • baines@lemmy.cafe
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          21 days ago

          the only ones close have much stricter access laws

          these dudes be making up shit to justify muricas bullshit

      • Polisheocket@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        20 days ago

        Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Your first few sentences are correct. Mental health needs to be top priority. Bullying inschools needs to be handled differently. Your never going to stop gun violence 100% but if you can stop 95% of it, you take that as a win.