• RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works
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    Of that 96% starvation and disease killed many/most. The USA absolutely waged genocidal campaigns against the various tribes but that 3.6 million includes other deaths as well.

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      And who do we think caused them to die of starvation and sickness without access to the lands they could hunt or doctors.

      And then there’s the whole gifting then smallpox blankets thing

    • Chocrates@lemmy.world
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      Active or not, the Europeans and then the Americans caused the collapse of their civilization.

      Imo all deaths are related.

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        Many weren’t intentional though. There was diseases spread initially by livestock that killed many of that 3.6 million.

        Yes, there absolutely were intentional campaigns of genocide but a lot of natives just caught the flu and had zero defense to it. Nobody intentionally gave them the flu because many of these people never saw Europeans.

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          I guess my sticking point is, does it matter if it was intentional? Contact with Europe destroyed them from both accidents and outright malice. It was still genocide even if it was on accident, imo.

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          I have a suspicion that if it weren’t for all the disease the colonizers would have destroyed them anyway.

          Also nobody intentionally made them deathly ill? Smallpox blankets.

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            2 days ago

            Measles, syphillis, rubella, mumps, chickenpox even. chickenpox is especially dangerous to adults who never had it.

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            2 days ago

            You’re not wrong.

            However, it is worth pointing out that the documented “smallpox blankets” stuff happened in the 1700s and 1800s, which was already a century or two after the continent had been greatly depopulated by diseases spread unintentionally.