socialism was supposed to be when all companies would become forcibly publicly owned; instead socialism became when all companies became forcibly government owned (rather different; both violent and needless. the greatest truth about marx is that hes an example of most people- most people dont learn about the stock market (or about government) beause its a lot to learn and most people arent actually in finance or government; then they get afraid of the stock market and the government, then conspiracy theories… you realize dont you that marx is essentially a conspiracy theorist? you should read behold a pale horse if you never have just for reference. think of marx as like the economy guy of that, versus that being like the government guy of marx; both of these guys being a common sort of player, in general. want me to teach you how the stock market works so youre not afraid of it? how bout government?

i call anyone a marxist who uses and utilizes (calls their government and runs their government as) marx’s termed socialism or communism. i also note that all governments run like this were shams/frauds with the same dictatorial streak running through them. ive written great essays on this on my new-socialism/communism blog. the violent revolution part and the automatic war against any upper class appealed to lot of power hungry people who realized they could use it to trick masses. its a great way of building a personal army, then stealing your country. all upper class possessions included. and lives. thats free women and free stuff. just how war works. marxism is like islam; a big easy excuse to do war on your own neighbors. these are the only two big philosophies that allow this nowadays. the big-world version of marxism is any automatic attack on all capitalist nations. thats pretty big and steep; obviously most countries are fundamentally capitalist because it evolved first. historic non-marxist “sort of basically like that but pure” “socialisms/communisms”: ancient egyptians, ancient incans, modern israeli kibbutzers. ive never heard of “off grid places” “being governed also” otherwise. marxist aimed to eliminate currency and described s/c as the stepping stone/path. marx wrote what he wrote at a time when the world would soon learn that its problems arent caused by rich people; its problems are caused by idiot politicians and “idiot politicians”; theres in essence several kinds. most want to “save the world”; but most shouldnt try because it takes a lot of thought rather than a lot of yelling; and yelling is quick and easy and works well. all it take is idiot politicians riling up countries for war; any excuse but a real one. russia early 1900s “lets kill the government”. germany and ottoman caliphate “lets kill britain”. china “lets kill the government”. germany again “lets kill britain again”. russia “lets kill capitalist countries”. islam “lets kill israeli-supporting dajjal-supporting countries that support capitalism”. russia “lets kill more capitalist countries”. blah blah blah same stuff; see a common thread at all? its the lets blow up _____ for poor reasons ____. our reasons for problems is not money; our reasons for problems is shoddy philosophy. why are there so many marxists on lemmy??? i went to college harder than you did, ive read your zinn book, ive read enough other stuff to know to stop reading marx on any line 1; “this is propaganda” … ice cold stupid people just read that stuff and nothing else; cant tell. its like the people who watch fox. marx couldve spoken in more general terms about the people not allowing individual concentrations of power; they would have to have a mechanism for it though better than torches: agreement; what capitalist would agree to marxism, and wheres marx gonna get the money for building his vision the nonviolent way: from capitalists??? and why no discussion about moving to an unused piece of land far away and living as natives? dont they achieve his same goals with no violence and freer better way of life than the evils under capitalism that marx describes at his outset? one more time how stupid marx is: “money is what enables, and therefore is the sole cause of, war” money is what enables everything else too and ive seen fights that werent over money. marx equals dumbass time to throw out and write new, think new. its amazing what people can do if they just think instead of adopt.

uh uh, careful- hitler rejected non-“national”-socialists, his own darling invention, one word added onto what used to be the socialist german workers’ party. he found the “socialist german workers party”, fell in love with them, then added one word/concept, and really fell in love with his own hybrid creation, then deemed all the other brands (there were a lot going around at that time- these were all his street-level political group rivals) wrong and eliminated them, mostly by arranging a street thug gang the brownshirts, and sending them out on beat-down missions, to quickly run through an opponents’ rally, give everyone there a quick punch to the jaw, then run off. this intimidation tactic worked well, plus many other illicit tactics. later actions: seized tons of industry, but then put german workers into automatic jobs therein. this is a form of marxist socialism. i agree that its also fascist, just as i insist every version of other realized marxist-socialism was fascist: all the russian and chinese versions and satellite versions. all of them are both fascist and marxist-socialist, as realized.