Characterizing that as ‘unawareness’ is a little too charitable, I think.

For whatever it’s worth, I’m entertained by these bans and have no problem with your moderation style.

Users from the larger instances can be melodramatic - it’s nice to see them get burned for it on occasion.

We’re in a version of that conversation right now bud

“Most of us are trans”

“I don’t believe you”

“Here’s a demographic poll showing that we are indeed majority trans”

“That seems really unlikely, you must be lying or that poll must be wrong”

“Here’s a detailed history of our origin explaining exactly why it isn’t at all unlikely that we are who we say we are”

“Ah, forgive me for my error, I believe you now”

“I don’t believe X” is not necessarily a statement about X

Right, bigotry isn’t actually about the quality being marginalized, it’s about reinforcing a desired hierarchy using whatever distinctions are most convenient and salient. Hard to paint them as bigots when they themselves are minorities; easier (and far more rhetorically salient) to simply deny their trans identity altogether.

There is if that server was made specifically by those people for that purpose, though.

That sentence doesn’t even make sense with or without the context of this conversation.

Just because you don’t understand it? I’ll rephrase it: “explicitly dismissing the trans-status of a majority-trans community”. Better?

All you’re doing is trying to make yourself feel better by saying other people are horrible with the implication you aren’t

That’s exactly what this community is lol

Do you ever watch the NBA and think to yourself, “WOW, being taller than 6’4 is exceptionally rare! The odds that they are all here playing basketball together is simply unbelievable”?

Transfolk represent a exceptionally small but real segment of the population; the idea that all of them found the same lemmy instance and joined it exclusively vs. allies and other users is pretty improbable.

Except:

• a: hexbear existed long before most of the ‘allied’ lemmy instances you’re referring to
• b: it was created explicitly as a safe-space for trans leftists
• c: the ‘allies’ you’re referring to constantly have struggle sessions like this one

It’s a little funny to me that a piece of this calculation is basically: “the probability that they’d all hang out together and not with me is just so low I don’t believe it” lmao

Interestingly enough, I think a better example is Jewish people being accused of being fake/bad jews for being insufficiently supportive of the Israeli state, since the reason why people here, specifically doubt the trans makeup of hexbear is their insufficient support to western democracy. People find it uncomfortable to consider a trans individual might grand critical support to a state who has had reactionary trans-exclusionary policy, and so they cast doubt on the legitimacy of that membership.

Having a disagreement with a hexbear about politics is one thing, but projecting that disagreement onto their personal identity is explicitly bigoted. There isn’t any reason to doubt the trans demographic makeup of a community that was explicitly created as a trans-inclusionary leftist community.

The burden of proof isn’t on the person saying they don’t think the number is realistic, it’s on the person who pulled a percentage out of their ass lol

“I don’t believe you’re trans, because trans people are exceedingly rare, and the burden of proof is on you for having pulled your self-identity out of your ass lmao”

It’s incredibly transphobic to assume those who self-report to be in a targeted minority are lying for some rhetorical benefit. Nobody wants to be subject to the harassment that comes with being gender non-binary, not even to score some hypothetical internet points.

Not by default, by explicitly dismissing the minority status of a majority-trans community simply because they don’t fit their expectation of a trans person.

If that’s the dumbest thing you’ve read online I have some really bad news for you.

Unless you count the fact that trans people make up an incredibly small percentage of the population overall.

Underrepresented minorities disproportionately join minority-centric social groups, that isn’t surprising.

Nor does saying ‘i don’t believe it’ make that doubt any more legitimate and any less motivated by transphobic prejudice.

f I did a survey and the results were faulty about the amount of Black people, would it be racist to say the numbers seem off?

If you had no material reason to doubt those numbers and it was a community that was built by and for black people and you had a motivation to be blind to their minority status then… yea, it would be racist to say “I don’t believe it”

People who frequent MoG don’t want to acknowledge the trans and minority makeup of hexbear because that conflicts with their self-image of being trans allies… It has nothing to do with any factual basis of doubt of that demographic.

But you must have some way of discerning truth on the internet one way or the other, otherwise nothing could ever be true

There’s no actual reason to cast doubt on that makeup except for whatever prejudices you have against that community, and any amount of actual investigation would dispel those doubts.

Except there’s no factual reason to doubt that demographic except for whatever prejudices you have against them

Their existence really has nothing to do with your opinions about them, and thinking otherwise is what makes it transphobic.

I can’t even tell of you’re joking. Hexbear was created specifically by trans communists from reddit, where else would they be going?

You asked how I knew he had that information and dismissed it, and I pointed out he was repeating the information and dismissing it lmao