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Honestly all feels a bit “lib-bait”
They keep talking about third term which drives libs crazy (just wait till the libs figure out there are worse people than Trump…). We only even have limits for presidents because the same libs, right wingers, whined and pissed themselves after the country elected the least-shitty president 4 times. If the president is good… who cares. Let them stay 50 years. I don’t understand the term limit shit. If they think it means the next republican won’t be a Nazi … bad news, guys! The democrats and republicans are both Nazi parties! “Oops! All Nazi!”
And as far as the salute goes. Yes, doing a Nazi salute is (obviously, no shit) bad.
Giving Nazi speeches, believing in their hearts Nazi/fascist rhetoric, passing Nazi laws, etc. is the actual problem though. And they’ve been pretty openly doing this for years, decades even. It just seems, no other word I can think of, “liberal” to focus on the unavoidable aesthetic and ignore the fundamental, meaningful day to day stuff.
It just seems to me to set this unobtainable standard of “Oh, now they’re Nazis!” It doesn’t really matter if Trump walks in wearing a literal SS uniform. The right is just gonna say “Oh, but…!” “Wow, I can’t believe you think…” and liberals will back off every time they are presented with any way out, even the most obviously ridiculous path out. They’ll take it. Look to how they refuse to call the Elon one (which was 0% chance NOT a Nazi salute) what it is. Because he gave them a path out of it. Another day to cope and pretend it isn’t already here… and has been for a long time.
If they’re waiting to see the skulls on the caps, well, maybe that day never arrives. My point is: that doesn’t fucking matter. The SS would still be one of the most evil groups in history even if they wore rainbow sweatsuits all the time. Yeah, the skull is a bit “on the fucking nose” but their actions and their rhetoric was evil. The caps are a symbol of that. The salute is a symbol. That symbol can be there or not and it doesn’t matter.
I feel like I’m repeating myself a bunch, but just trying to make it clear. Hate symbols are bad because of what they are symbolic of. Not just because “oh no! Evil thing!” I kinda thought this was obvious, but the way lib brains work… makes me wonder.
(And even while I write this I also think “Holy fuck… they’re just doing the goddamn thing.” So, I’m not placing myself as immune. I do try to “check” myself sometimes though. Bannon endorses murdering trans people and kicking out immigrants… yeah, of course he’s a Nazi. This shouldn’t be shocking to me or anyone else)
We only even have limits for presidents because the same libs, right wingers, whined and pissed themselves after the country elected the least-shitty president 4 times. If the president is good… who cares. Let them stay 50 years. I don’t understand the term limit shit.
Their media milks this so much, too. They propagandise term limits until the concept ossifies in people’s brains and then they point out Xi Jinping has no term limits every time he gets reappointed, and that alone is proof of dictatorship to liberals. The guy’s on a roll scoring W after W for China and the Western media just bleats about how democracy is being crushed under the weight of all of those Ws.
I find the whole notion that having a revolving door government is a measure of democracy is absurd beyond belief. You want power of recall, and the ability to hold the government accountable. Simply shuffling who’s in charge doesn’t accomplish that.
We have to put it in American terms: if you have a winning football coach, you don’t fire him after 8 years just because.
Imagine a hamburger that’s good. You want to keep eating that hamburger forever. Mm, good burger. But if a hamburger is bad, you want to stop eating it. You want to throw up out of your car window onto the interstate because the bad hamburger made you sick.
I think the fact that we are seeing a sort of a nazi coming out party now is worrisome though. Obviously they don’t have to be flaunting the fact that they are fascists to do fascist things. However, what this shows is that there is broad societal support for open fascism and it’s no longer taboo to identify as a fascist.
No, trust me, I get it.
Maybe I am doing some sort of circular cope or something myself. I have spent a lot of time (too much…) considering how much I should “care” that liberals only care about the dogshit when their face is rubbed in it. When the dog has actually been shitting all over the carpet for years and they never cared.
Part of me thinks “Finally! Welcome!” But then I see they have no actual push back. They just want the spectacle, I suppose, of pointing out the obvious. Then I go “Ok, well, that’s still better… than not? I guess?”
Either way it feels incredibly shitty because no one with any amount of institutional power seems to care about the rhetoric at the core of the movement. I am absolutely fine and happy if they call out Nazis doing hate symbology in public… with the condition that they recognize those symbols are directly tied back to the laws they want to pass (and have passed).
Some libs “get it” to an extent. Many still seem incredibly shortsighted and only focused on Trump. He seems to be self-aware of this (maybe giving him too much credit though) and that’s why he leans into the third term thing repeatedly. Give them a spectacle and something to obsess over… something that isn’t analyze any of his executive orders, stated goals, laws he wants, etc. Not a unique analysis there either by me.
very much agree with all that
what this shows is that there is broad societal support for open fascism and it’s no longer taboo to identify as a fascist
Yup. The significance of this should not be understated. This is exactly what we saw happen in Ukraine where Nazi symbols and slogans were openly normalized and look where they are now. When fascists are no longer afraid to hide even their most overtly fascist aesthetics, you have a huge problem.
Honestly I don’t see it in that video, but it doesn’t matter because he’s been working a fascist project for as long as I’ve known of him. The Daily Beast might have been better off not mentioning it at all, focusing on substance over signifiers.
they linked a wrong clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxg3Ho4rgjg
They’re just calling a taxi, you don’t get it!
