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Can you criticize Israel here or is it full of pro genecide bots trying to run a narrative?
This place is pretty far left dude lol. You wont find anyone pro israel here.
Well everybody already knows that. Like… The power dynamics of “vote lesser evil, vote for minority candidate, vote for a compromising pseudo-progressive party because it’s still something, abstain and stay pure, better face true fascists than traitors, etc.” has been around since representative regimes emerged. Yet everyone has to find his/her political and moral stance in this shitshow. And answers will differ, sometimes for legitimate reasons, sometimes because of total bs. That’s all there is to it and it’s not exactly news.
The blue MAGA types are moooostly on .world, but they have the most users, so… .ml are mostly CCP with the same degree of dedication, and blahaj is that but with Likud. I just block .world and blahaj because they are right wingers beyond saving.
A democratic that is average at democracy is better than a conservative who is great at authoritarianism.
“average at democracy” is when you aggressively expand the world’s largest police state while persuing a policy of genocide.
Most people wanted to stop sending money for wars, and Democrats kept sending money for wars. Most people wanted to defund the police and democrats tripled the police budget. That is not a democracy. That is the total opposite of a democracy.
Tripled the police budget?
Yes, Joe “We have to back the blue” Biden tripled the police budget during and after the BLM protests
Also curious what police budget he doubled, I thought congress handled money
What police budget?
The Democratic Party as a whole is like milk in your fridge that’s a week past its “best by” date.
The Republican Party is milk that a dog vomited on a Texas in July sidewalk.
We’re drinking one of them, because no alternative is possible in the near term.
It’s possible to vote for Democrats in 2026 and '28 and '30 and '32 while we build an alternative that can have electoral success, or takeover the Democratic Party from within or heck turn the Republican Party into a party worth supporting…
If all the milk in my fridge is spoiled, I throw it out. Maybe try that?
Aye, we need a new system.
Great. Now you’re dying of thirst and the only milk left is the dog throw up vomit.
You can’t game the system by just saying you would do it better. That’s not how it works.
So keeping with your analogy, you’re going against ever bit of legitimate survival advice from every single person that has any knowledge on survival, and you think you’re still making the right choice?
In any situation where clean water isn’t an option you still don’t drink things that will sicken you.
You can work to purify whatever liquid you have (which can be the easiest or worst option), you can leave the area and try to find safer sources of water, or you can piss in your own mouth for a while and try to do one of the other two things in the mean time.
Voters like you, however, drink the spoiled milk, diarrhea in your own mouths, while promising if you keep doing it you’ll get around to purifying your own milk laden shits if you just keep funding genocide.
You can’t change a rotted system from within anymore than you can survive on contaminated water. At best you’re making your life so much worse while deluding yourself into thinking you’re doing the right thing.
Great. You just want people to drink spolied milk and are gloating because they don’t get a meaningful choice. You don’t care if you have to also have the dog vomit as long as no one gets a better choice than the spoiled milk, ever.
80 million Dem voters (depicted as “crowd of NPCs” meme): “We are voting for Democrats in the near term because there is no other option”
Running a feckless campaign that refused to break with Biden’s admin on genocide is why we got this living hell. And running the most unlikeable woman in the country in 2016 is what made 2024 even a possibility.
Dems have fucked up terribly.
You’re absolutely right
That about sums it up.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
But fuck me, I’d love to vote for something else. And I’ll be honest, I have no idea how we get anything better.
I hear people saying to organize, but I can’t even imagine what that takes. I wonder if most Americans feel as helpless as I do in the face of this absolute bullshit.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
Unfortunately, much of what the Democrats represent is fascism.
Depends on what you mean by “much”? I’d argue the Democrats, on the whole, are liberals, not fascists.
I’d certainly prefer progressives and leftists though.
The support for Israel whole they genocide Palestine, thought… ugh. That can certainly be viewed as fascism, although where you draw the distinction between fascism and imperialism is up for debate. Not that imperialism is good either, just saying.
Liberals are the only people in history to vote for fascists to prevent class solidarity, and they’ve done it every time.
If you scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds.
The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets. They have completely given up their agency and just accept this impotent logic of “we’ll take whatever the most obvious/most apparently easy option is, that isn’t a Republican”. It’s a cyclical problem, the voters don’t care enough to force politicians to be good, and the politicians don’t care enough to court voters.
At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say “you get what you fight for, and if you don’t fight you get what you get.”
I… haven’t really fought for anything. I believed the right things. I voted as best I could. But that clearly didn’t stop this.
I want to protect my ego and say I’m not a coward. Is there a distinction to be made between cowardice and simply not knowing what to do? I don’t know. I just know I’m trying my best, but maybe that’s just not enough.
Lemmy.ml; sigh.
Wake me up when you provide a feasible plan that doesn’t involve ritual self-mutiliation.
Join PSL
Nice. Now something that doesn’t involve ritual self-mutilation?
Bad faith, I see
I’ve actually lived under this brand of “socialism”. Have you?
Pumpkin Spice Latte?
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Grassroots campaigns for small local government positions building gradual power for progressives to replace them. Do your part.
I’m sure this will fix the frustration of people who already live in deeply progressive states.
For sure, about %90 of them voted No to Sander’s stop weapon sale to Israel resolution. They are worthless pieces of shits which would switch to the republican party at the blink of an eye had they thought their position in the Democrat party was insecure.
If I thought that the democrat party was the only viable option to defeat Trump would I vote for democrats instead of say, voting a third party? Without a second of doubt, yes. We don’t even need to debate whether the Democrat party is marginally better than the Republican party or not. The main important difference is that if Trump wins (which he did) half of the country is going to cheer for every vile shit he does (which they do) and this will enable them to carry this vile shit into their personal lives (which they also do).
On the other hand if Kamala were to do such vile shit (granted there is imo %0 chance she could be this worse on almost all matters) at least she would get booed by the people who voted for her. There is a very big difference between how much these reactions enable a president to do even more extreme shit or not and whether if people are encouraged to replicate such behaviour on a local level or not.
So instead of waiting until the last 90 days and then suddenly going “DON’T VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS LETS CHANGE THE COURSE OF HISTORY WOHOO”, start working from now to make the third options more viable. Then it will be more sincere and useful.
Yeah and how are things turning out for Palestinians and trans people? Do you think if the US pulled support for Isreal the fighting in Gaza would have stopped? Isreal would have turned to another country for their help and the US would have lost access to their intelligence in the middle east. A loss for the US and a gain for Russia or China. Neither choice is a good one one for the Palestinians. With the Democrats Netanyahu was on a leash, with Trump the leash is off. They are screwed as are anyone in the US who isn’t white and straight. White Supremacists in other western countries are emboldened. Putin and Xi are laughing.
With the Democrats Netanyahu was on a leash
Good lord, Democrats are delusional
We had Hitler under control! Everything was going according to plan!
I’ll keep saying it, the DNC is a sunk cost. You will keep trying to get them to stand up for you; get them to care; get them to fight. They will keep taking your energy; taking your money; and taking your vote and do nothing with it.
Big donors have recognized it. It’s time for the people to recognize it too. That means you.
The Democratic Party got wallopped in the last election because they stood up for marginalized. They got trounced in 2010 because they fought to provide access to healthcare to those who couldn’t get it. Biden tried to forgive student loans and young people couldn’t bother to show up to the pols in 2022. Lazy edge lord potheads don’t show up to vote
Good lord, blueMAGA faithful really have taken leave from reality entirely
They lost in 2024 because they couldn’t address the economy and kept sending billions to Israel as it was committing a very public genocide lol, not because they stood up for people.
Yeah that’s probably why the GOP ran non stop ads about transvestites playing in school sports.
The largest plurality (29%) of people who voted for Biden in 2020 but stayed home in 2024 said that Gaza was their biggest reason for not voting. The Democrats aren’t considering pulling their support for Israel, but they have been fighting internally over being less supportive trans people. The idea that they lost because they just wouldn’t stop fighting for marginalized people is just not connected to reality, and it’s very possible they’ll be standing up for even less people by 2026.
Could you spare a link to that 29%? I’m curious
Genocide deniers suck, including the uyghur and tibetan genocide deniers, including the american native and middle eastern genocide deniers… They all suck…
uyghur and tibetan genocide deniers
You mean like the ethnically and religiously diverse muslim delegations from around the world that investigated the claims of uyghur genocide and declared them unfounded?
Here is an article trying to spin it from voice of america, a state funded US media outlet:
I think the claims of genocide in Tibet are kinda goofy, given the US is trying to prop up some child-tongue-sucking theocratic feudalists to install as their regime.
“What do you mean genocide? They only imprisoned an entire population based on their religion…”
1 in 5 black men in the US above 35 have been in jail, the numbers aren’t even close in Xinjiang, no matter the source you use. Reeducation camps in a (so far very successful) war against terrorism =/= genocide. Go watch Little Chinese Everywhere (Chinese travel vlogger) videos on Xinjiang, especially in Kashgar, judge for yourself whether a genocide is going on there.
Y’all kidnapped the Panchen Lama and don’t consider Tibet to be independent.
The United States of America is more important then the Democratic Party.
With state level electoral reform, we could give 3rd parties the freedom to participate in the electoral process without a spoiler effect.
No more hostage situation, more options, elections could be a competition to defeat the republicans/make things better, more democracy.
Who could say no to more democracy?
Republicans? Why of course they would say no. They are passing legislation in red states to protect First-past-the-post voting. In Alaska they held a referendum last election to go back to FPTP voting because Sarah Palin was kept out of office by their Ranked Choice voting system. It didn’t pass, the people dont want FPTP anymore in Alaska.
How about the blue states and the democrats that are elected there. Do they support democracy? I guess that would depend on if they are still using FPTP when the mid term elections are hopefully held.
It’s not to late, we can have more choices in the voting booth. We can have more then one chance to defeat the republicans.
Videos on Electoral Reform
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
If you REALLY want to receive some righteous hate, criticize the people who boycotted voting because none of the choices measured up to their standards. People will defend the moral correctness of refusing to vote more than they’ll defend their right to vote.
Most states were really spoiled for choices that election, too. I think that there were a dozen candidates on my ballot!
If you don’t like either R or D, then don’t vote for them. Vote for somebody else. If everybody who didn’t vote had voted for an alternative or independent candidate instead, that would’ve been HUGE.
What I constantly hear is deflections about how voting doesn’t matter, but it fucking does, yes the Democrats suck but they are better, it’s not even close.
Fight back and do everything you can to change what’s going on and blame Democrats but don’t sell out an entire election cycle to literal Satan to make that point
all that does is irreversible damage
literal Satan
American Civil Religion is very real
it sure is and yeah i was being exagatory for effect but if you’re just going to pretend there isn’t some very real damage being done that could have been prevented then the .ml brainrot is real
exagatory for effect
Yeah, the effect is that you look like a blueMAGA fanatic
You can label me with whatever epithet you want, but the reality is that voting Democrat was the correct choice to minimize damage. Is that where it ends? No. Should the Democrats be raked over the coals for their current and past inaction? Absolutely.
The reality is, if anyone who is upset with the Democrats truly wanted change, they would understand that change is slow. “Teaching the party a lesson” has historically only resulted in a shift to the right. Direct action is the only thing that works. But while that effort continues, I’d certainly prefer if the checks and balances of the government weren’t being actively weakened and exploited.
Vote Green when you can, and push on your representatives in between elections.
if a third party was possible under current electoral governance the green party would absolutely not be better
