To be fair, it is hard to hold a proper democratic election with part of a country occupied. Either you hold an election in which people in those areas cant vote and while risking division during a time of crisis, or you dont hold an election and in doing so risk democratic backsliding. Im not really sure that there’s a good answer to that situation
You know what created the situation where Ukraine had to pause elections? Russia’s invasion. You know when elections will resume in Ukraine? When Russia fucks off.
What a pointless comment. I’m not blaming them for being invaded, that’s absurd. They are responsible for their own actions. No more, no less. Why do you think the invasion means the Ukrainian government no longer has agency in the territories it controls?
I disagree. Ukraine does not have direct control over those territories. So it does not seem a major issue that people there cannot vote for a government that does not govern them.
If Ukraine is able to retake these territories then they can allow people to vote in the next election. If Ukraine retains or expands its democratic ideals then it would only be a short period where they would be controlled by a government they did not vote for.
I could see a case for postponing elections if the country was in such a total state of disarray that it was not practical to hold them. But it’s clear that this is not the case outside of the eastern front lines and occupied territories.
As we can see, not holding elections is also creating propaganda for Russia and its defenders. I don’t think this is a major problem enough to deny people a voice in decision-making.
Can you inquire about my rubles? They haven’t showed up yet for some reason. Maybe it was because I wrote that my supervisor was a murderous tyrant on his employee evaluation.
Gotta love the internet where you can simultaneously be accused of shilling for multiple mutually hostile nations.
Do you frequently have trouble reading and understanding the context of statements? I am literally saying the same thing you said above which I don’t think constitutes victim blaming but if it does then so are you so… please reread and understand before making derogatory statements next time. Or just ask clarifying questions like a normal, respectful person.
My entire point is Russia makes up propaganda either way, so Ukraine should not fear this issue. It was the other poster who said Ukraine should not hold elections because it would fuel Russian propaganda. Did you accuse them of victim blaming and if not, why not?
Because I have a compulsion to correct misinformation and reply back to people who are spreading it. I have criticized Russia many times but people here agree and don’t need to hear that.
In fact I did state that I think a Russian government would be worse but since no one contested that there was simply no need to discuss it further. What else is there to say? Putin bad. Kremlin bad. Russian Imperialism bad. That’s all. I’m not going to get 100 nationalistic, authoritarian fools jumping down my throat about this statement so there won’t be any need to say more.
To be fair, it is hard to hold a proper democratic election with part of a country occupied. Either you hold an election in which people in those areas cant vote and while risking division during a time of crisis, or you dont hold an election and in doing so risk democratic backsliding. Im not really sure that there’s a good answer to that situation
Not only is it “hard,” it is spelled out in the UA constitution that this is what happens when there’s a war going on in Ukraine.
Human rights and democracy are above the law. If the law contradicts them, then the law is wrong.
You know what created the situation where Ukraine had to pause elections? Russia’s invasion. You know when elections will resume in Ukraine? When Russia fucks off.
But, sure, blame Ukraine for that.
What a pointless comment. I’m not blaming them for being invaded, that’s absurd. They are responsible for their own actions. No more, no less. Why do you think the invasion means the Ukrainian government no longer has agency in the territories it controls?
What’s the Kremlin like?
It’s an awful, murderous, autocratic institution. What’s the CIA like?
what “own actions” are they responsible for?
getting shot at???
Maybe if you think about it you can figure out what I’m talking about using something called context.
I disagree. Ukraine does not have direct control over those territories. So it does not seem a major issue that people there cannot vote for a government that does not govern them.
If Ukraine is able to retake these territories then they can allow people to vote in the next election. If Ukraine retains or expands its democratic ideals then it would only be a short period where they would be controlled by a government they did not vote for.
I could see a case for postponing elections if the country was in such a total state of disarray that it was not practical to hold them. But it’s clear that this is not the case outside of the eastern front lines and occupied territories.
But doing so will just give propaganda fodder for the occupying country
“See, your country doesn’t care about you, come to our side blah blah blah”
It’s a tight rope to walk for sure, but I haven’t seen anything out of Ukraine to suggest they’ve fallen off it
As we can see, not holding elections is also creating propaganda for Russia and its defenders. I don’t think this is a major problem enough to deny people a voice in decision-making.
Says the Russian asset.
Can you inquire about my rubles? They haven’t showed up yet for some reason. Maybe it was because I wrote that my supervisor was a murderous tyrant on his employee evaluation.
Gotta love the internet where you can simultaneously be accused of shilling for multiple mutually hostile nations.
Propagandists gonna propagandize regardless. Stop blaming the victims.
Yeah that was my point… Nobody is blaming the victims but you’re saying they shouldn’t have a voice in their own government.
This, this right here puts the blame on Ukraine for the propaganda that Russia is creating. Blaming the victims is exactly what you are doing.
Do you frequently have trouble reading and understanding the context of statements? I am literally saying the same thing you said above which I don’t think constitutes victim blaming but if it does then so are you so… please reread and understand before making derogatory statements next time. Or just ask clarifying questions like a normal, respectful person.
My entire point is Russia makes up propaganda either way, so Ukraine should not fear this issue. It was the other poster who said Ukraine should not hold elections because it would fuel Russian propaganda. Did you accuse them of victim blaming and if not, why not?
Why don’t you spend all this energy you’re putting into ignorant takes into criticizing the actual problem and aggressors here - Russia
Because I have a compulsion to correct misinformation and reply back to people who are spreading it. I have criticized Russia many times but people here agree and don’t need to hear that.
In fact I did state that I think a Russian government would be worse but since no one contested that there was simply no need to discuss it further. What else is there to say? Putin bad. Kremlin bad. Russian Imperialism bad. That’s all. I’m not going to get 100 nationalistic, authoritarian fools jumping down my throat about this statement so there won’t be any need to say more.