It’s not looking good, and it doesn’t really make sense to fight a losing war.
How do the Ukrainian people go about even discussing surrender among themselves? I’d imagine any mention of it would be met with hostilities, perhaps even violence.
It’s a shame because that lack of reasonable discussion can directly influence how many people die that could’ve otherwise been saved.
I’m actually afraid to even make this post, because I predict talking about Ukraine surrendering is enough to get me censored.
Kinda sad.
No, it’s just a dumb point to make.
“We should just surrender our lives and culture to a corrupt plutocracy that lives next door, right? Russia has shown in the past that they will live up to any peace agreement we sign, so we should just give up!”
There is no conversation where this idea flies when the people are actively fighting for their homes, friends, and families against a regime of idiocy like Putin.
Really? Discussing surrendering in a losing war is a dumb point to make?
What makes you think it’s a losing war?
When your surrender is as good as signing a death warrant for many of your friends and family that have been resisting for years now- yes.
Do you think Russians would mass-execute all Ukrainians if they won the war?
Every single Ukrainian who has so much as spit-shined a boot for the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be thrown in a labor camp indefinitely. The only reason I could see this not being the case is if the Russians cannot logistically handle that internment.
That’s a fair assessment to make.
Even if that were the case, wouldn’t it make more sense for Ukrainians to flee than die in a war that won’t be won?
No- it is their home. Just because some dumbass sets up camp on your front porch, is stealing your food, harassing your friends and family and beats the shit out of you any time you leave- doesn’t mean you’d leave your house. You’d fight/beat/kill the person claiming that the porch is rightfully theirs.
I’d only do that if I thought I had a good chance at winning.
Yes- at least military and government members, without question or pause.