Mostly out of curiosity, but also somewhat related to Proton’s recent political involvement, I’m curious about alternatives to using their services, open to suggestions for:

  • Proton Mail: anything that can support custom domain, email aliases, and email scheduling?
  • Proton Drive: not the most important, but interested in privacy first, encrypted hosting services
  • Proton Pass: anything I should take a look at besides Bitwarden and Keepass?
  • Proton VPN: that one’s the hardest, it was really good, I think Mullvlad is the one most often recommended?
  • Proton Calendar: didn’t really care about that one, but it was nice that it connected to Mail

My Unlimited plan renewed in December so I’ll probably keep it for a year, it was nice having only one subsctiption to keep in mind, but I’m thinking of exploring other options

    • groet@infosec.pub
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      16 hours ago

      There is absolutely a point to shaming and boycotting everyone who acts negatively in public. Of course beeing a secret scumbag is also bad but it doesn’t promote scumbaggery to other. A quiet ass does less damage than a loud one.

      • Rogue@feddit.uk
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        14 hours ago

        The Proton CEO explicitly used Proton’s official accounts and declared them as the company’s official stance.

        I don’t mind people having political views I disagree with. The lines were crossed when his absurd personal views were published :

        • using company accounts
        • as official statements
        • SplashJackson@lemmy.ca
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          9 hours ago

          May I trouble you to kindly provide sources for your statements? Your use of plurals indicates that there’s more than one tweet, and I am fascinated to learn more.

          • Rogue@feddit.uk
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            9 hours ago

            That’s such a strange way to phrase it but I’m going to opt to believe you’re human and asking in good faith.

            This is what the CEO posting as u/Proton_Team stated in a response on r/ProtonMail:

            Here is our official response, also available on the Mastodon post in the screenshot:

            Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation.

            Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote.

            At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.

            By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand.

            Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost.

            Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

            Source: https://archive.ph/quYyb

            To call out the import bits:

            1. He refers to it as the “official response”
            2. Indicates that JD Vance is on their side just because he attended an event that other invited senators didn’t
            3. Rattles on about “corporate Dems” with incredible bias
            4. States “Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses” which is immediately refuted.

            That was posted in ther/ProtonMail sub where the majority of the event took place: https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i1zjgn/so_that_happened/m7ahrlm/

            However be aware that the CEO posting as u/Proton_Team kept editing his comments so I wouldn’t trust the current state of it. Plus the proton team/subreddit mods deleted a ton of discussion they didn’t like. Therefore this archive link captured the day after might show more but not all: https://web.archive.org/web/20250116060727/https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i1zjgn/so_that_happened/m7ahrlm/

            Some statements were made on Mastodon but these are subsequently deleted, but they’re capture by an archive link: https://web.archive.org/web/20250115165213/https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503

            I learned about it from an r/privacy thread but true to their reputation the mods there also went on a deletion spree and removed the entire post: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1i210jg/protonmail_supporting_the_party_that_killed/

            This archive link might show more but I’ve not checked: https://web.archive.org/web/20250115193443/https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1i210jg/protonmail_supporting_the_party_that_killed/

            There’s also this lemmy discussion from the day after but by that point the Proton team had fully kicked in their censorship so I don’t know how much people were aware of (apologies I don’t know how to make a generic lemmy link) https://feddit.uk/post/22741653

            • SplashJackson@lemmy.ca
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              8 hours ago

              I know its a strange way to phrase the request, but I wanted to make it explicit that it wasn’t an attack but a good faith request, as you correctly and kindly assumed.

              Online discourse is a minefield these days, it’s nice when someone notices the effort you put in to not start a fight!

              This is interesting stuff. When I get back to my computer I will do more research; I believe there are sites that show removed/revised reddit posts