I thought it’d be interesting to share this here! This post is from a community event in Reddit Pixel Dungeon that often gathers hundreds of votes, and the event is finally completed just a few days ago. The highest votes on what people think is weak (or boring/lame) is featured in this image, and it’s a good way to measure what the community thinks overall.
I’d love to post the huge amount of comments and discussions to Lemmy, but it might be better to just visit the Reddit posts. There’s some deep and interesting discussions from the community on why these things suck. The second-worst items that gained significant votes may also be worth looking into: chaotic censer, unstable spell, death mark, magic missile, transfusion, unstable enchant, etc
Regarding Chaotic Censer, I personally think recent updates have made it usable at least. It sucks when it destroys loot and wrecks players in cramped spaces, but the fact that it now shows the gas + direction before it activates, it’s a good improvement. At least players won’t be at the mercy of RNG deaths and we can adapt to the situation with the tools in our bag.
I want yog dzewa buff, wasn’t there that new terrifying sprite that never got released? If only the boss fight is as terrifying as that sprite 🥲 halls quest boss will be cool as well to test endgame characters
My personal pet peeve is the golden chest. It’s supposed to drop something great (I mean, it’s golden!), but often only contains random throw weapons.
Agreed and I remembered that I only got one seed and small gold, the gold chest room is never worth doing
I’m surprised that the dimensional sundial trinket wasn’t in first place or even second place. I don’t hear people talk about it much. Personally, I really dislike that the effects are tied to the time of day you’re playing. At least the vial offers a different yet consistent way to play the game regarding survival and you’re choosing the censer because you like the chaos. The sundial is sort of in between.
The ring of tenacity is one item that people complain about all the time. I hope Evan reworks it a bit so that its benefits are a lot more noticeable at say starting 50% hp or something and make it clear in the description that its effect diminishes as hp goes to 100% :)
Yea I dislike sundial too and I feel the effect is too small and probably only helpful for farming. Sundial got the third place vote it seems. Maybe it needs a third helpful effect that doesn’t care about time of day :/
The Wand of Corruption almost breaks the game when it’s combined with the mage’s staff. You corrupt an enemy, he goes off and kills somebody, you gain experience, you upgrade your staff, rinse and repeat. When you can turn every enemy into a thrall the game becomes almost trivial.
Yup, I agree it can be good! But I think its main problem is that it’s only good in a vacuum, but when compared to other upgrade options or wands it’s inferior. It needs tons of SoUs for reliable corruption, making it hard to use especially with forbidden runes, and spending one charge + turn to give one random debuff is generally not worth it, as you need luck to find the right debuffs for the current situation. Other wands like lightning can just simply kill things immediately instead of debuffing, personally I think wand of corruption needs to be a good debuffer in the first few hits before it corrupts?
As for my personal pick for worst wand it has to be transfusion, I mostly just use it to prevent eye beams, maybe some small shields. It has its uses but I prefer blastwave or fire!
Yeah, transfusion is hot garbage.
Corruption gets good when the staff gives you plenty of reason to dump a bunch of upgrades into it.
Wow I’m surprised that vial of blood actually outperforms chaotic censer as the most hated trinket. I know vial sucks but damn. Also good to see that people dislike Yog not because he’s hard, but actually because he’s too weak and underwhelming as a final boss. Sometimes I feel like the real final boss of shattered is demon hall floors… and demon halls seem to be voted because it feels incomplete without quest. The rest of these are unsurprising and it’s always nice to see math breakdowns when discussing why certain rings are worse than the other
Maybe it’s just me but I personally think Censer is B-minus tier now, Cleric Cleanse can use Censer! Mnemonic Prayer still sucks though, dumping on Lance and Hallowed is way better. I’d personally vote for Vial, Mimic, Sundial, Parchment, Trap as the worst, the rewards are never worth the pain. Can’t decide which is worst, but Vial has extremely niche uses. It’s unnecessary on 0-chal and it’s useless on high-chal since there’s no dew, potion, etc. Salt Cube is better for diet. You somehow need to find good viscosity armor early in the sewers to actually pick Vial.
I’m more interested in the worst-craft section, cooking meat is obvious first place but I think the runner-ups are more important to tweak like unstable spell/brew, summon elemental, alchemize.
Have to read the whole posts for context
People like these, they just were forced to pick something from the tournament
They are not weak and they don’t suck
Yeah that’s why I really don’t like this post. A lot of the things here are objectively good, but something has to be the worst.
No one’s forced to do anything man… people are free to express their opinions, just please let them have their fun with this event and say their opinions. You’ve been arguing against them to death for months because you know everyone’s going to vote warrior and ring of tenacity, things that you’re incredibly biased against. You can join in the discussion and disagree with your own opinions, but the problem is you never try to understand the other side and you just keep bothering everyone who criticized these, constantly trying to dismiss and “win” arguments :/ You mentioned to me that you had to leave r/pixeldungeon because people don’t like you there, but a few people have noted that you’re insufferable on r/shatteredpd too
I’m literally just giving context
That picture gives 0 context, every item on that picture is there only because they got more votes, it doesn’t matter how small the margin was, or how many people disagreed.
All that context is missing, which is why just saying these items “suck” or they are “weak” not correct
It’s like saying “my comment got more upvotes, therefore I’m right”
Well yeah… that’s why the OP recommends to see the posts for the full discussion. But for the most part these items won votes by a wide margin, the only exception I see is vial of blood who barely won against censer 2nd place. Yeah there’s some disagreements here and there, but people generally vote the top comments because they agree with their points on why something sucks, and the disagreeing comments have low vote ratio against it. Tbh a lot of the “disagreements” come from you, like on the ring of tenacity post it’s honestly impressive how you try to argue against so many people :/ I’m not going to argue on what opinion is “right” or “wrong”, but I will say that this image is indeed just a rough idea on what the community thinks
I’ve also now seen the worst wand post and it looks like you’ve made even more enemies harassing darkblizzard and even rivlin got annoyed. You really need to calm down and please just let people have fun sharing their opinions
Okay, first of all, stop getting personal for no reason, I don’t even know who you are
And “OP” did a horrible job at giving context, that’s why I’m commenting in the first place
They said “this is what the community thinks is weak” “there are discussions onwhy these things suck” which are both biased opinions, not context
There are people who disagree, there are people who gave different opinions and you and OP aren’t respecting either of them. Just because you think upvotes make a difference doesn’t make it so.
Oh I’m respecting people who disagree alright, just today I’ve been seeing all the posts from this community event, whether it’s a popular opinion with 100 votes or the unpopular ones with <5 votes. But what more context do you need? On the tenacity post, people generally says it’s the worst because if you break down the maths it’s weak compared to other rings. On yog post the top comment says it’s the worst boss because it’s underwhelming, weak, and boring. If you want the full discussion of course you need to see the posts :/ But yanno what, the more I see these SHPD discussions from these events, the more I realize why so many people dislike you. Vordexxx got angry at you, Dekklin got angry at you, StickOnReddit got angry, the list goes on. You somehow have so much free time to argue every day, it’s insane… I’m santaclaws on reddit and I too get pissed at you for trying to attack everyone for having opinions you don’t like
You say you respect opinions, but you aren’t respecting my opinions.
And you are still throwing out personal attacks, for absolutely no reason.
When have I ever attacked anyone for having a different opinion than me?
As I’ve said many times, it’s not your opinion, it’s your attitude. You’re free to give your opinions and disagree, but the way you do it is so disrespectful and you’d always twist words to make people look bad, and argue people to death… Like on those worst wand posts, you’ve been trying to argue every single time and people have told you to leave them the hell alone. Tbh, after seeing this lemmy post today, I just wanted to see the rivlin posts afterwards and have fun. But then I saw you arguing everywhere on those reddit posts, and now you’re here too trying to dismiss and shut down this discussion, and I had to say something
I also got harassed by him many months ago when I criticized the old salt cube, clover trinket and warrior. It makes it hard to talk about these things when you know he will appear every time you talk about these, and it’s annoying to see that he’s on Lemmy too. Best to just downvote and ignore him. On another note I’m loving the new clover trinket update!