Sanders is one of the most popular politicians in the US, and his political analysis and messaging remain as relevant and compelling as ever. But while his Tour to Fight Oligarchy is inspiring and important, the broad left badly needs a political vision that goes beyond Sanders.
Almost like some sort of grassroots 3rd party that is literally too radical of an idea for you fools in this community who argued Biden (and Harris) was somehow more leftist than Obama.
Yes, let’s lose worse.
Without ranked choice voting, the only option is to fix it from within.
RCV is not something the two party system would willingly allow to occur in enough states to matter, and it’s not a base requirement for a 3rd party to succeed.
Pakistan doesn’t have RCV, it took them 20 years which included a 10 year military dictatorship and 10 years of faked paper ballots and miscounts. No way the US would need more than that considering we don’t have massive issues involving voter fraud.
I’m sick of people disregarding 3rd party with what is essentially a flawed argument of the two party system used to convince people 3rd parties are impossible.
You would be surprised at the amount of increased turnout from the nonvoters group that would gain wins in an FPTP system despite the disadvantage.
The sit out centrists need to vote
Bernie is the only leftist in the Senate. So until that changes it will be impossible to move beyond him.
We need a progressive takeover of the democratic party. The MAGAs tranformed the republican party in what 10 years?
If we have midterms it has to start then.
*The Koch Brothers et al. used their vast wealth to transform the Republican Party in 10 years.
The biggest problem the left faces is that money is required for any political action in the U.S., and there is no money for the left. No billionaire will fund 50501, or Our Revolution, and in fact they’ll gladly spend several million dollars defeating leftist primary challengers and suppressing news of protests.
Our political system is hopelessly rigged. There is no longer any way to use it to save ourselves.
We have to organize at the community level and do it without all the shadowfunding the fascists have.
Probably won’t happen. The DNC are conservatives and the majority of the US is too. Most ppl are too dumb/uninformed to see left leaning politics is what they actually want
Which means there’s no hope for this framework and the best thing that can happen is collapse and rebuild for even any long term hope for our descendants after a lot of pain.
I agree the people have been systematically made hostile to policies that would defend them the laborers from the capitalists by capitalist for profit media propaganda and capitalist captured government propaganda.
If the people are only willing to vote as “left” as the good cop fascist dems and it’s a coin flip between them and the can’t go any further right fascist Repubs, there is no solution short of letting entropy tear it all down.
You can’t repair a sinking ship when the only solutions available are make more little holes(D) or make more big holes®in the hull. The people would need to at minimum have a stop making new holes (funneling all resources to the top 0.1%) party. But that’s evil communist leninist Marxist socialism Herp derp! Better starve to death under a freeway 🇺🇸
I think the language is funky. They’re saying beyond, like take his ideas and go even further, not move away from Bernie. They want more and better of him.
Luigi, because Bernie was our compromise.
Reading the article, the argument is that Bernie isn’t left enough, and more radical candidates need to be run in primaries.
A new party is needed. Be done with the garbage that we currently have
So, you think the same people who couldn’t get past the DNC in 2016, 2020, and 2024 are suddenly going to be able to create a party in less than 24 months?
I’m not going to hold my breath
Gotta start somewhere.
Reinventing the wheel is a waste of time.
We need a massive voter registration drive. 90 million people didn’t vote in 2014. Even 10% would be a game changer.
Primary every sitting Dem and force them Left. Make every GOP fight for every vote.
Like this? www.huevosparty.com
No, like a Mario Party.
Centrists need to stop telling leftists what to do and what is good for them or they’re going to keep on losing elections.
It’s not coming from a centrist in this case: the article is written by someone who argues Bernie is insufficiently left.
This article is not what we need right now.
No, the left needs to study Bernie and take notes. Then elect politicians exactly like him.
Bernie is the left’s most effective advocate in the US and we need more of him.
We need more like him
Exactly, I love Bernie, but he’s old. Of a new generation of young progressives don’t establish a foothold in the senate change will not happen.
Ot at least not through peaceful means.
Yeah, but also I think a Godzilla sized Bernie Sanders could do a lot of good.
Would you rather fight 1 Godzilla-sized Bernie? Or 100 Bernie-sized Godzillas?
Well I’m probably dead either way unless Bernie can be reasoned with so at least the godzilla sized Bernie could go on to do good things for the world and not be a radioactive nightmare for everyone to deal with.
this is basically saying, we are currently at -10, Sanders is at +3 and we need to jump to +10 right away. Not gonna happen unless through civil war.
More of a revolution than a civil war.
Despite all the maga bots online. There are very few die hard maga in real life.
And I realize that most of the military is Republican.
However. Trump has been fucking over the Vets pretty hard.
He also has removed a lot of the military’s top leaders. People who the military personnel respected.
Surely this is going to start eroding the military personnel’s loyalty.
But then I also remember how Republicans have consistently voted against their own interests.
And how many people in Russia are against the Ukraine war because they have friends and family in Ukraine. And their soldiers keep dying.
Yet…they are still following orders to attack.
Things are so uncertain.
But if the American people have to literally battle anyone in our own country it’s going to be us vs our military personnel.
And they have weapons and training.
Our only real chance is using our intelligence over force. and our decentralized leadership is a strength. So one specific leader can’t be targeted and disrupt the movement.
Basically guerilla warfare. Targeting propaganda, military resources, factories that manufacture weapons, and imports. And a priority is Trumps secret police force. ICE.
Because they are removing people who would stand with us. Taking away our resources.
We need to target their communication systems.
There is a few ways that can be done.
Physical disruption or by overloading their systems with inaccurate information.
Of course many of these targets potentially negatively affect the civilian combatants too.
We have to really plan this well. Be strategic.
We need to start preparing for this possibility though. Now. Right now.
I hope we can do this the legal way and get him arrested.
But if not, then we will have to consider plan B.
Every day we move closer to B. Already we are seeing more effects by vandalism of Tesla’s. Vs judge orders.
I personally hold not only the 10 Dems who sold us out. But every single Republican who voted yes on the CR too.as well as voting in unqualified department heads.
The representative dems and Republicans who have not stood up to him.
They also are just as responsible.
The judges who have allowed him to continue his obviously unconstitutional activities.
Every single person in Trump’s cabinet.
They will all be held accountable for their actions when this is said and done.
We won’t forget. They are traitors.
Republicans were at -3 pre 2016 and they’ve ratcheting up to -10 pretty quickly. If you have a good charismatic leader that the base falls for you can drag the rest of the party along to the edges of the Overton window pretty quickly.
If you have a good charismatic leader that the base falls for
…the party’s geriatric republican-lite leadership will ratfuck them out of the primaries.
So what are you waiting for? Take a rifle and don’t come back until “it’s over over there”
there wont be anyone like sanders or aoc, and all other imitation dems turn out to be shills for the gop.
i.e. Fetterman.
When the party supported him instead of pulling funding, it should have been clear that he was lying about being a progressive.
there isn’t, but there can be
The left needs to be rid of centrists like Bernie/AOC and bring in actual leftists. Not just progressives but communists, socialists, syndicalists, anarchists, revolutionary trade unionists, the class conscious workers who will lead the revolution. Compromise with the Capitalists is useless as they have no morals, they will always claw back everything they have compromised (Trump is proof of this). Furthermore working in the Capitalists liberal democracy is the best way to get absolutely nothing done and to fall to fascism.
WORKING PEOPLES OF THE WORLD UNITE
Your politicans will not save you nor will running one more electoral campaign, we need to build class consciousness and strengthen unions to prepare for revolution (it is not a if question but a when question)
Sanders works with democrats while voters paint democrats as evil. If you love Bernie then ask yourself why does he keep such company? Vilifying the dem party ain’t helping and your Bernie recognized that a long time ago. What are you accomplishing ?
Something needs to change either people pull their head out of their ass and cut this shit out, or they get better at shit and stop it. But wtf
Because that’s the only way he can even begin to accomplish any goals. What’s the alternative? Working with Republicans what the fuck? The only way anyone can accomplish something in a two party system is to try to work with one of the two parties. Do you think he would have any better success with the Republicans?
Move left and we’ll quit correctly pointing out that your party is shit on purpose.
One of Bernie’s biggest flaws is that he’s working with the Democrats.
Bernie should be running “here’s how to run for office in your area” drives on his oligarchy tour. The only way progressives will kick out corporate democrats is by the common person running more. Bernie should be pushing more people to run instead of just getting up on a stage in front of people and being a politician. He’s not a good organizer. Great talker. Horrible at getting people out to vote. Dude couldn’t even get enough people out to vote in the Democrat primary in 2016 to defeat Clinton. She beat him by a larger voting margin than Trump won by last year.
Oh no, every fuckin person In line to vote with me just said they were voting for Clinton because they were told he couldn’t win. Everyone agreed with him yet I couldn’t convince the 20 people in line that if we all voted for him it could all work. The dnc did him wrong, the media coverage wasn’t great (never is take that as it is), and people thought Clinton was a shoe-in. I dont disagree with your statement for teaching people how to run, but don’t disregard how the dnc didn’t want him there at all.
The DNC definitely didn’t want him there. But the RNC didn’t want trump. Trump was able to convince voters to vote for him despite him being a long shot candidate. Bernie wasn’t. Bernie, if he was a better organizer, would have been able to convince more people to vote in the primary either to outnumber the people who voted for Clinton or convinced the Clinton voters to change to his side. Obama was someone who was able to convince voters to come out and vote for him in the primary and was able to convince Clinton voters to switch sides. Again, Bernie couldn’t.
I also think a core part of this is just him running for the nomination for the Democrat party despite not in fact being a Democrat. I had many people around me who also agreed with him but voted for Clinton because he wasn’t a Democrat and obviously only wanted to be able to be a part of the party when he needed them as opposed to always being there.
I personally think if Bernie had always been a part of the Democrat party he would have had an easier time convincing enough people to switch to his side. It’s not like he needed a blowout to win the nomination. This is also why I think someone like AOC would have an easier time running for the nomination since she is and always has been a Democrat.
Very well put.
The party also used the screwy rules to keep him down, rules put there for just the purpose
This article states pretty much everything I believe about American politics far more articulately than I ever could. I’ve decided; if I ever open an American branch of the NoneOfUrBusiness party I’m making this my manifesto.
Sanders is the american Jeremy corbyn and if it looks as though he might get near to power, the establishment will take him out, smear him and try to remove him from politics and the democratic party, just as they did corbyn.
They used the excuse of antisemitism in the labour party, which was total lies, he’s the most stalwart anti-racist in UK politics and has been for decades. His record speaks for itself. He’s still barred from the labour party now.
Couldn’t insult Corbyn any harder
I’m not sure what you mean, but I seem to remember corbyn and sanders were friendly and spoke at the same demonstrations etc. For a while there it seemed we would have decent politicians running things on both sides of the pond.
I mean they are not the same. Corbyn is the real deal, Bernie is a sellout at best, now a sheepdog for the establishment keeping the voters runnung away to 3rd parties.
No surprise one of them got framed and the other one is still around.
Bernie can have his platform to do his show to give their corporate party a progressive face, not the 3rd party candidates who get sabotaged by the Dems and which they try to get of the ballots by lawsuits or any way possible.
They will fight them harder than republicans.
If you want to compare him to UK politics he would be a labour politician.
All talk about being for the people yet doing the opposite.Well okay, which mainstream US politician is better than Sanders?
Why TF do you need mainstream politicians?
3rd party is the only option, or stay in the endless loop like you’ve been doing for a few centuries nowYou can do politics outside of the system, especially if it’s undemocratic or terminally corrupt. We’re the latter right now, soon to be both
Because the system is rigged against 3rd Parties, the Dems and the GOP have worked hard over the decades to make it all but impossible for 3rd Parties to get on ballots. For example, it can vary from state to state the amount, but 3rd party candidates need to get thousands of signatures in each of the counties they want to have their name on the ballot in. Meanwhile the Dems and GOP have gotten state laws passed that automatically put Dem and GOP candidates on the ballots like an reward for voter involvement in the previous election.
Getting on the ballots at all for 3rd parties costs a lot of money and time to do. It’s generally why you only really see 3rd parties pop up for the presidential election, which just sort of becomes a joke because it’s usually a nutter like Jill Stein.
a nutter like Jill Stein
While there are better ones and I don’t really follow her, there’s no doubt she’s far better than any of the imperialist genociding psychopaths both sides of your uniparty regime endorse.
What makes her a nutter eactly?
I’m part of a 3rd party but the problem is, they don’t win. Eg right now the Democrats could be in power rather than trump. That would avoid absolute catastrophe and keep the west at mid level shit.
Now trump won things will get bad. I hope that the people will overcome and in 100 years people will say it was a good thing that trump got in, because it galvanised real change. People were put into a position where they had to demand change. Or it could go the other way - there might not even be any people in 100 years to assess. Chaos is dangerous, even well planned, contained chaos, which this isn’t.
They don’t win bcs of this dumb defeatist ‘lesser evil/wasted vote’ mentality.
In EU there are plenty of parties that started from 2% and have grown until they become a force and get a place in government.
I really hope you get your true change now.
There would be no Trump without the dems creating that climate making it possible.
And their horrible tone-deaf politicians making clear you would get more of the same as under Genocide Joe.
So I’m glad Trump won, a US president fucking up his own country for once instead of others is a win for the world.
It makes no difference for Palestinians, Yemeni, Syrians or plenty others who rules the country that bombs them or aids the terrorist proxies to do it for them.
I feel sorry for the few that aren’t part of the massive dem/rep population but that is collateral dammage.
It needed to happen.
How you deal with it is up to you.
