Spoiler: No.
Lol
If the headline asks a question, the answer is no.
The headline asks the question, the photo answers it
I trust some republicans more than I trust Jeffries. And I despise all republicans.
Reminds me of Al Franken talking about how much he likes Ted Cruz.
“I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz.”
The left that our dems are on, is just the left of the right side
Dems do whatever Israel wants. Israel wants Americans fighting their war on Iran. So theres not a chance in frozen hell the Dems will end it. It will be interesting to see the theatre they pull to make it look like they tried. I’ve got 5 bucks on “parliamentarian” again. A classic.
Dems are only upset with the Iran war for 2 reasons.
- Trump is losing
- Didn’t let them give him permission to do what generations of politicians on both sides have wanted to do since the 70s revolution
The problem with war, is that there isn’t really an “off” switch. Which is why it’s fucking stupid to start one.
Iran doesn’t have the capacity to attack the US directly, you could simply withdraw troops from the middle east and cut off Israel. From there it’s a matter of offered concessions or otherwise ignoring the region and hoping things restablize.
But then we objectively, officially, lose the war. The presumption of American military superiority would be destroyed, which would spell the end of the American empire, and they cannot let that happen. Of course the perception of our superiority is already screwed because Iran made god bleed, but that only makes Trump and friends more desperate to win.
The US has lost all but two of the wars it has committed itself to since WW2, with Korea and Desert Storm being seaming flukes at this point. What’s another mark upon that record, better to cut losses than be further humiliated at this point.
The empire is already burning let’s not send further legions into Germania.
I think this is different given the context of this war. It’s not an insurgency or an unfamiliar jungle it’s just a super power losing against a “lesser” military. In the process also losing influence over 20% of the world’s oil supply, which is the oil that gives the American petrodollar its value. This stupid ass and unnecessary war could change the power structure of the entire world.
It’s still effectively an asymmetric war something that basically favors home field advantage to the point of absurdity. Winning is basically impossible given that Iran has been preparing for this exact scenario for decades, any escalation will worsen the look of the US since the current dipshits in charge don’t know how to do jack shit.
Honestly pulling out before it turns into the US equivalent of the Soviet-Afghan war is basically the only way forward that doesn’t lead towards federal collapse IMO. Those in Congress have an active incentive to prevent that from happening while also working as a great propaganda win for those who side against it. The damage is already done cutting losses is the best that can be done at this point.
I agree they should pull out, but I don’t think they see that as an option anymore. Hubris will be our downfall.
Our? Nah Americas. Personally I’m a Californian nationalist and recognized that the US has to collapse for my wants to come true. Problem is I’m also annoyed by incompetency and wish I could be wrong so as to not scorn my ancestors who actually had a grudging faith in the government. Regardless we’ll have to wait and see how things pan out after the mid terms, my money is that something will happen either during the elections or before January which will shake things up.
Iran has shown willingness to negotiate. I just think that at this point they just don’t want to negotiate with Trump anymore.
I’m not sure what they have to lose by just ignoring the US and keeping the Oman side of the strait more or less closed.
It sounds like shipping via their toll system is going fairly well.
Simple theorically but most of the congress will refuse to give any major concession to Iran necessary to end the war
Which is why I included the option of just abandoning the region. Frankly the middle east is just a liability and has been since the 70s oil crisis. It’s a statement on foolishness that not only has reliance on oil held steady but expanded. If a forceful material change is required then so be it.
You completely ignored my point. Leaving the region include stopping all aids to Israel and aiding all sanctions on Iran and for this to happen you need the majority of the congress to approve it which is not the case right now
Iran will turn to terrorism
Twenty years of listening to you fuckers say this about Afghanistan, but we lost, and where are all the 9/11s?
The US opened this conflict up by bombing a pre-teen girls school in Iran, and civilan infrastructure-- war crimes and terrorism. And the “west” has been supporting the Palestinian holocaust, war crimes and racism conducted by the zionists for 80 years. I could go on and on about all the crimes that we have seen, but its old news.
I dont think many countries in the “west” get to unironically use that “terrorism” word anymore. Its especially meaningless when we pretend its a travesty then do it nonstop ourselves.
Terrorism like US or like Israel.
I hear you, but in this case there is one.
Just withdraw, and stop sending money to Israel. It’s literally that simple to stop this war.
The problem is that Trump tore up the agreement limiting uranium enrichment. So at this point he’s more or less guaranteed that they get a nuclear weapon.
If iran want one they would already have one. The reality is that the religious decree that ban nukes is still active and believed by Iran. I don’t see it getting overwrited by the new leader
Yeah. People in the west can’t imagine ideology or religion seriously influencing politics any more. A sort of cynical post-democratic world view. But that’s just false, the religious fatwa against mass destruction of human life is actually believed. Westeners simply can’t imagine people thinking different any more.
And if not that, Iran just showed their strongest weapon and that is cutting off oil flow. Having a nuclear weapon doesn’t help them much - who could they realistically threaten with it? Like even in this current war they couldn’t realistically threaten to use nukes against anybody. And it would lead to more states in the region also wanting nuclear weapons so overall it could be bad for them.
PS: Just to add, I don’t agree with Iran on questions of gender equality and LGB(T)Q rights. But even as an atheist I’ve started to prefer a theocracy to a neoliberal pseudo-democracy where they believe in nothing.
I was with you until the PS.
That’s like forcing someone to choose how they want to eat shit. Definitely would rather it be nicely seasoned but the entire objective is to avoid eating any shit at all. Both choices are loss conditions.
It’s not like I’m excited about it either. I’d much rather they believed in socialism. But this is about fundamental questions. Like: Should a politician serve the wellfare of the people and build a better future for them?
If you could get the democratic or republican politicians to speak the truth, I’m convinced about 99% of them would say no. They don’t really have any ideological framework backing them any more except the neoliberalism as an absence of any moral responsibility. Because they have been selected and filtered by a process for this. Voters don’t even really expect them to either. So there is a fundamental quality missing.
Religion might force me to eat some shit but actually lived religion that is not performative or corrupted profit scheme like evangelism does force some politicians to have a minimum of humanity. Like rejecting nuclear weapons on the basis that they are morally wrong.
Ehhh, nuance.
He does bring up a point that religious frameworks tend to influence behavior much more powerfully than material incentives do. Outside the context of theocracy being the alternative; living in a post-democracy neoliberal technocracy is miserable. Our politicians don’t believe in anything and the people come to expect this and then they don’t believe in anything. No one has any shared values or morals outside of “whatever I have to do to get ahead”.
As of yet we have not come up with a way to get socialism to have the same influence that religion does, if we can’t come up with an answer to " how do we get people to believe in things" then we’re well in truely screwed.
It’s not stupid if you’re getting kickbacks from defense contractors.
lol. Lmao even.
We do have a chance of Schumer writing a strongly worded letter slamming trump though
Schumer? Shut down a war the Israelis wanted and coerced out of Trump? This Schumer?:
“I have many jobs as [Senate] leader… and one is to fight for aid to Israel — all the aid that Israel needs,” Schumer said
I doubt there will even be a letter.
Schumer : I want to end the war but I do not want to vote for the concessions necessary to end the war
“Slamming”
#doubt
A: no.
Trump won’t care.
The tool proposed is government shutdown. And I’ll say it again, Trump won’t care. He thinks this is his Magnum Opus and he won’t stop.
Ha, thanks for the laugh to start my day. Reporter is confused… only the vast majority of voters want the Iran War to end, nobody wants us fighting in Iran, Democrat, Republican, and Independent voters all agree.
Not the representatives.
Like Medicaid for all, higher minimum wage, billionaire taxation, weed legalization, term limits, age limits, and so forth, only voters want those things.
Not “Dems” in office, nor “Reps”. Their job is to continue to make excuses to voters as to why they can’t have what the want.
If you want to know what Ds and Rs in office find important, it’s imperative that you don’t listen to what they say. That’s silly.
Look at what they do. Look at what the results of their actions are.
What do they find important? Union membership should drop. Wages should stay low. Healthcare should be as expensive as possible. Corporate profits should go up. Taxes on the wealthy should be laughably low.
These are the things our reps want… the things that are as they are are that way because the reps have decided that it should be so.
They could fix any of these issues that are popular with voters virtually overnight. All they need is a simple majority vote (not a super majority; that’s a joke and not the law, parliamentary rules are not law and can be changed at will).
They choose not to give the voters what they want.
A few sternly worded letters, a Tik Tok video, and a marathon floor speech should do it.
And they’re going to be surprised when ICE hauls them to Guantanamo.
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While we should never underestimate the Democrats’ ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, there may be some legs to this one.
The politics of these shutdowns is always to try and get the public to pin the blame on one side or the other. If Democrats take over the House, they control its agenda, and can simply make sure that no bill that includes funding for the Iran war gets passed. But, at some point a bill to fund the military will need to be passed, as an overwhelming majority of military spending is subject to appropriations. Thus means that the House is certain to pass a bill, with no funding for the Iran war, and Republicans have three choices:
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filibuster it in the Senate (in which case Senate Republicans will be blamed, whether or not they are in the majority)
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veto it (in which case Trump directly will be blamed)
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sign it but still bomb Iran anyway (in which case Democrats now have an open-and-shut case for impeachment that might actually work)
This war is extremely unpopular, and is a key part of the reason why Republicans are doing as poorly as they are. As vile as the Venezuela thing was, if Trump had stopped thereand not gone to Iran, then the Senate would likely not be in play. I think Republican Senators might finally be realizing that. If an impeachment resolution were to make it to the Senate right now, I think it would pass today, and that means it has even better chances of passing in the new Congress if Democrats take the Senate.
If an impeachment resolution were to make it to the Senate right now, I think it would pass today
Not a fucking chance. Republicans have had every opportunity to ditch Trump with very little political fallout. All they needed was to have Susan Collins or one of the other supposedly not crazy Republicans vote with Democrats. They have categorically refused to do so on multiple occasions. They are on the Trump train until it fully goes off the rails.
The key difference this time, though, is that Trump is stepping directly on their power. The sanctions bill was passed, with bipartisan support, and he is just ignoring it. If an impeachment were to go the Senate over this, how can the Senate basically say “Yeah, we passed this law and he signed it, but it’s OK that he’s ignoring it now”?
I mean, they named the bil after Graham. I bet they all take it personally.
Congress holds the power of the purse and the ability to declare war. Why is this different than Trump stealing those powers? He’s done both on multiple occasions.
Yes, but when he has done both before, it has always been in line with what the majority party wants, even if it is illegal. For instance, ever since Grover Nordquist stated out loud that he wanted to “make government so small you could drown it in rhe bathtub”, Conservatives fantasized about just firing them all, but all those pesky laws got in the way. Their solution was to elect someone who didn’t give a damn about what was legal, and then let him do all the dirty DOGE work without actually having to vote on it. The Republican majority is simply letting him do all the illegal shit, in the hopes that it deflects any future blame from themselves.
But this is different. This is Congress specifically voting for the President to do something, and the President agreeing to do it, then saying “Sike!” And not doing it. If allowed to stand, it makes Congress irrelevant. The Senate, in particular, takes their job seriously. If an impeachment resolution makes it there over this key point, voting against it is basically voting to dissolve their own power.
In particular, if Democrats do very well in the midterms, you may find Trump chickening out of this one, too. Because would the Senate still impeach if the President backs off on the infringing behavior? Even a month or two of lifting sanctions might give Russia enough cash to make a difference, after all.
Their behavior is unpredictable
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They will not. When the mou was first announced top leaders did not like t
