Funny how no one seems to know why a shutdown is worse, while AOC can clearly explain why agreeing to fund the bill is worse (as per https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5194630-ocasio-cortez-schumer-government-shutdown/ she explains that it hurts the position of Dems who won house seats in Drumpf territory by explicitly supporting SS, Medicaid/care, etc.)
Actually, to be honest, I cannot remember so I assume I must have misclicked. However, it is maybe a little worrying that you monitor me and/or comment votes?
Could also be that I shut off my brain at some point. Your messaging is also not really super clear.
Basically I’m in the same boat as AOC and all the folks feeling betrayed, and I’m skeptical of Schumer’s intention because the news articles I’ve browsed over don’t include any detailed reasoning on why Schumer voted the way he did - but others on this thread have since provided a decent explanation.
And … when folks reply to me saying that my point is unclear, I’m always happy to clarify my meaning. Typically, that engagement turns out to be fulfilling on both ends.
A lone misclick isn’t a big deal - accidents happen and technology can sometimes be hard to use, so I tend to let these go. That said, I noticed that after writing your reply, you went ahead and downvoted three more of my comments on this post… so please try to be more careful with the misclicking. Especially considering that downvotes are essentially public.
I reverted my original downvote because it was not intentional. Then I looked through some of your other takes and intentionally voted it down because I thought you were in the wrong.
That being said, I need not careful nor do I really need to care whether or not you let anything “go”. I appreciate that you want honest discussions, but policing other people’s reactions is really just your reaction to someone else’s content and does not help you attain your goal.
I mean there are some obvious drawbacks to a shutdown:
Easy for Republicans to point at democrats as the problem
People may confuse layoffs or other impacts of cuts to the shut down rather than the Trump admin
Less noise about all the terrible things the Trump admin is doing while shutdown takes the forefront
At the end of the day, it’s “maybe this will stop the Republicans from dismantling the entire federal government” vs “why stop your enemy from completely shooting themselves in the foot”
Personally I’m not sure which is better, but the wait and see game (that Schumer is playing) relies on things not going completely off the rails (and things seem pretty crazy right now).
While I’d personally contend that a shutdown wouldn’t normally be considered “completely going off the rails” I can kinda also see the other point of view - not wanting to add to the current level of craziness.
I agree, sadly a government shutdown is actually pretty normal for the US now. What I meant by that line (off the rails) was that Schumer is acting like this is just normal politics, so letting Trump continue to shoot himself in the foot should work out for the Democrats. However, I’m not so sure, this doesn’t seem like a normal admin and things have been escalating. Schumersl’s strategy won’t work if things continue to escalate at their current rate.
Funny how no one seems to know why a shutdown is worse, while AOC can clearly explain why agreeing to fund the bill is worse (as per https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5194630-ocasio-cortez-schumer-government-shutdown/ she explains that it hurts the position of Dems who won house seats in Drumpf territory by explicitly supporting SS, Medicaid/care, etc.)
Hey why did you downvote this @urist@lemmy.ml !urist@lemmy.ml ?
Actually, to be honest, I cannot remember so I assume I must have misclicked. However, it is maybe a little worrying that you monitor me and/or comment votes?
Could also be that I shut off my brain at some point. Your messaging is also not really super clear.
Basically I’m in the same boat as AOC and all the folks feeling betrayed, and I’m skeptical of Schumer’s intention because the news articles I’ve browsed over don’t include any detailed reasoning on why Schumer voted the way he did - but others on this thread have since provided a decent explanation.
And … when folks reply to me saying that my point is unclear, I’m always happy to clarify my meaning. Typically, that engagement turns out to be fulfilling on both ends.
A lone misclick isn’t a big deal - accidents happen and technology can sometimes be hard to use, so I tend to let these go. That said, I noticed that after writing your reply, you went ahead and downvoted three more of my comments on this post… so please try to be more careful with the misclicking. Especially considering that downvotes are essentially public.
I reverted my original downvote because it was not intentional. Then I looked through some of your other takes and intentionally voted it down because I thought you were in the wrong.
That being said, I need not careful nor do I really need to care whether or not you let anything “go”. I appreciate that you want honest discussions, but policing other people’s reactions is really just your reaction to someone else’s content and does not help you attain your goal.
I mean there are some obvious drawbacks to a shutdown:
At the end of the day, it’s “maybe this will stop the Republicans from dismantling the entire federal government” vs “why stop your enemy from completely shooting themselves in the foot”
Personally I’m not sure which is better, but the wait and see game (that Schumer is playing) relies on things not going completely off the rails (and things seem pretty crazy right now).
Thanks, this makes sense!
While I’d personally contend that a shutdown wouldn’t normally be considered “completely going off the rails” I can kinda also see the other point of view - not wanting to add to the current level of craziness.
I agree, sadly a government shutdown is actually pretty normal for the US now. What I meant by that line (off the rails) was that Schumer is acting like this is just normal politics, so letting Trump continue to shoot himself in the foot should work out for the Democrats. However, I’m not so sure, this doesn’t seem like a normal admin and things have been escalating. Schumersl’s strategy won’t work if things continue to escalate at their current rate.