What I mean is, why are they so reactionary?

They were once part of the Soviet Union, and while I am aware of the fact that after the USSR fell pretty much every country that was part of it fell into ruin (some bounced back), but there’s something about the Baltics that makes them stand out the most.

Besides Ukraine, they seem to be the most rabidly anti-communist/Russian and claim to have been colonized by the Soviets. I am very confused by all this and wanted to ask before I forgot.

What the fuck happened to the Baltics that made them like this? It’s like every time I see a Lithuania, Latvian, or Estonian flag on socials it is always paired with the most fascist shit I have ever seen.

Edit: added “socials” to be more specific.

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    They were colonised. During the soviet Union there was a rabid russification program. Back in like 2020 something like half of all cars in Latvia were on Russian plates. The anti communist sentiment is muddled with anti Russian sentiment. The baltics are a productive region, and during communism were having their wealth extracted to be used in the heartland to raise the living standards of less productive regions. Equity under communism was making them poorer. Communism doesn’t help everyone. Communism didn’t help the romanovs and it certainly didn’t help the baltics. Communism is an ideology that appeals to the worst off in society. As far as the union of Soviets go, the heartland and Kazakhstan gaining the most while Eastern Europe got royally screwed.

    Oh and by the way fascism comes from the Italian fascismo meaning faggot (as in the bundle of sticks made in to a broom) it symbolises that one might be weak but together they are strong. Fascism is national socialism with emphasis on nationality/race. It’s an evil ideology that the baltics as a rule reject in favour of Liberal capitalism.

    Please stop using Fascism as short hand for late stage capitalism.

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      Please stop using Fascism as short hand for late stage capitalism

      I was talking about what they say on social media, sorry I wasn’t more specific? I thought I was…

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      During the soviet Union there was a rabid russification program

      Korenizatsiya begs to differ.

      The anti communist sentiment is muddled with anti Russian sentiment

      Yes because in the minds of Nazis they are one and the same. Because russophobia and anti-communism both serve the agenda of the capitalist oligarchy to prevent the working class from organizing again and taking back the power.

      The baltics are a productive region

      Citation needed. Before the communists industrialized that region they had no notable industry and their societies were largely agrarian.

      during communism were having their wealth extracted to be used in the heartland to raise the living standards of less productive regions

      Talk about projection. This is demonstrably untrue if you simply look at supply priority maps of the Soviet Republics. The western republics received heavy preference in priority of development investment and goods supply.

      Equity under communism was making them poorer.

      Demonstrably false again, look at GDP and compare Soviet times with the pre-Soviet period. It is absolutely impossible to claim that the standard of living was not vastly better in 1989 than it was in 1939. It’s not even a contest, it’s worlds apart in terms of how people lived.

      Communism is an ideology that appeals to the worst off in society. Communism doesn’t help everyone.

      It’s an ideology that benefits and helps everyone except the exploiters and those who would like to live in luxury at the expense of the suffering and poverty of others.

      As far as the union of Soviets go, the heartland and Kazakhstan gaining the most

      Once again, provably untrue. The most highly developed regions after Moscow were all in the western republics of the Union. They were the heartland. Certainly nothing east of the Volga got anywhere close to the amount of development that places like Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics did.

      It is also quite funny to see Kazakhstan mentioned because while it is indeed true that Kazakhstan greatly benefited from being in the Union, having virtually its entire modern agriculture, industry, infrastructure and urban areas built up during the Soviet times, it’s interesting to see you admit this. Because Central Asian anti-communists will frequently cite the same kinds of false claims that you do with respect to the Baltics, complaining how they were supposedly held back and exploited by the Soviet Union while completely ignoring the historical reality of what those regions looked like before the Soviets developed them.

      while Eastern Europe got royally screwed.

      Is that why even to this day most of the infrastructure, roads, rails, power plants, cities, etc. in Eastern Europe are from Soviet times? If getting nuclear power plants, hydroelectric dams and factories, as well as having extensive infrastructure for electricity, water and gas supply built is “getting screwed” then you and i have a very different definition of that term.

      It’s an evil ideology that the baltics as a rule reject in favour of Liberal capitalism.

      Doesn’t look that way when you see who they decide to hold parades for and elevate as national heroes (hint: they were involved with the SS and took part in pogroms and mass murders). “Liberal capitalism” is not at all mutually exclusive with fascism.

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      I love how ironic your username is.

      Its like you ate a big bowl of anti-communist propaganda that was cooked up by “former” nazis working for the cia and nato and vomited it out so we could all see it and after we were done being disgusted by it you ate it all back up again so you can spew it out somewhere else.

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      https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/146135/annawhit_1.pdf#page=362

      KGB reports from Lithuania, too, indicated widespread excitement. The assistant director at an institute of experimental medicine reportedly told his acquaintances, “These are very important questions. Now there will only be national cadres. And in the Ministry of Internal Affairs almost all have been replaced with Lithuanians. This is being done very well. It has been necessary to deal with this question for a long time. In truth, it is being done very cunningly so as to gradually send all the Russians out of here.”¹³⁹

      Another noted that the release of political prisoners had contributed to an atmosphere of greater freedom and expressed excitement about changing language politics: “They are removing people who do not know Lithuanian from their posts and in their place Lithuanians are being appointed. Everyone who doesn’t know the Lithuanian language is supposed to leave our region.”¹⁴⁰

      Lithuanians across the republic expressed hope that a revised nationalities policy would lead to a Lithuanian resurgence at the expense of Russians and Russian. The impact was severe enough to precipitate a reaction: Russians in western republics complained of discrimination in letters to the Central Committee. Some complained of unfair hiring preferences; one went so far as to declare there to be a “pogrom of Russian workers” in Belarus. Others worried that Russians had nowhere to go.¹⁴¹

      Kind of weird to have a ‘Russification’ that involves dismissing Russians from ministries. I’m very curious to read how those two phenomena go together. And that only scratches the surface.

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      Communism didn’t help the romanovs

      “Won’t someone think of the royals” is not something I expected to read today. 🤣

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      You’re fucking stupid and literally almost everything in your word salad is racist garbage, extreme exaggerations, or blatant lies based off your shitty persecution complex.

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      I completely forgot that posts existed and I even commented on it! This is so embarrassing, but thanks for linking it!