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nickyflowers posts:
it would be cool if websites let you be an adult on them. the advertisers and payment processors need everything to be Family Friendly though and their definitions of family and friendly are absolutely fucked. but since they’re in charge of the Internet now, no one is allowed to be an adult. tiktokers say things like “unalive” and “seggs” because they know death and sex are too adult for online. online is for idiot babies only now because they’re easier to market to
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oh im sorry you’re a trans adult? super ban. you are super banned for life. you have upset Visa’s feelings. Mastercard is throwing up in the corner. how could you do this to Google Ads?
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The companies doing this are americans and americans are pussies who think sitting in sauna naked with your same-sex family members is traumatic but watching endless gore is fun. The mindless religious zealotry, their puritan ancestors and lack of separation between church and real life is to blame.
I blame the rise of nu-puritanism on Google and payment processors. It’s a load of bullshit that people can’t even have negative feelings these days.
Yeah, I dont understand either. Why the fuck cant you say suicide? When someone kills themselves, thats suicide, not ‘unalive’.
Whats next, people cant even say ‘unalive’?
It’s because the app reportedly limits and is more selective with videos that contain certain words. Death, rape, suicide, homicide, genocide, murder, etc. it can also pull your video. They don’t do it because they are sparing anyone’s feelings, their saying it that way to avoid their videos being taken down it hidden.
Fediverse and DNS sinkholes FTW. Any way I can avoid becoming someone’s money is nice.
Yup.
If I can’t say basic words and facts like, this woman was raped, this man died, etc.
I just don’t use the website in any meaningful way.
When I was a kid in Yahoo chat rooms… I saw things man.
These kids don’t know.
Well the 4chan kids know but these normal kids don’t know.
Imagine these little faggots in an Xbox 360 COD lobby.
(I am gay so I can say that word. You can’t, and actually, neither can I (Twitter gave me a three day ban for it))
Look, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with doing the occasional chore for the senior boys in school. And who doesn’t like minced pork liver and heart, wrapped in bacon, with onion and breadcrumbs? Or an bundle of sticks for that matter - that bacon-wrapped organ mince isn’t going to cook itself, you know.
I was so confused until I got to the sticks. And I was worried about opening the link because I thought it was AI spam 😆
My comments may be useless nonsense, but I assure you they’re all 100% human generated useless nonsense. I take pride in wasting everybody’s bandwidth with good old fashioned manual shit-posting.
Just learn to speak russian cause russians can use every slur under the sky and they do in almost every sentance. Double standard.
If you’re American you probably need to learn Russian anyway these days. Might as well.
On one hand it’s rude not to learn the mother tongue of the country where you live. On the other hand not learning the mother tongue of the coutnry you’ve lived in all your life is peak russian culture.
The US religious fundamentalists have managed to impose their fucked up values on the world. Calling it “family values” was always a lie.
Hurting someones feelings or being offended is the worst thing an american could ever go through. It absolutely tanks ad revenue.
these people cannot be a part of society. put them on an island with no minerals and let them live in log cabins and fuck their children and do patriarchy all day.
or maybe you think that’s evil and unkind to the children, and they should just be killed and the children freed. whatever.
Either way, I’d like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Peter Thiel is trying okay? Give him a break, these things take time… and Greenland (New Zealand said no)
I said log cabins, not bunkers.
also: NZ said no? good for them!
Relatively easy fix though. Get away from advertiser supported platforms and use community supported ones.
Until the community supported platform becomes an advertiser supported one. Remember they said this same exact thing when moving from Facebook to Reddit.
Running is not going to save the online community. People have been running for the last 30 years, and it led us to some of the darkest times we’ve seen in 100 years. Instead we need to fight back and strategically retreat. Change the incentive structure - make advertisers absolutely miserable, and those who leech from advertisers should be similarly flogged.
Normalize supporting software and sites through donations rather than ads.
If your community dies since nobody supports it, it was shit anyway.
We agree here, but this will not necessarily stop the rot. Companies will just approach these communities and offer the leaders massive buyouts, and then flood it with ads (see Twitch).
Communities themselves need mechanisms to punish or vandalize advertisements.
The mechanism for community to punish buyouts and vandalisms is to abandon the platform when it becomes bad. It used to be common but now people have too low standards.
It used to be common but now people have too low standards.
It is more to do with being locked into a walled garden. If your community and family use Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, etc. then you either have to stay, or get left out.
In the new US Constitution we should include Data Portability as a right.
I would like to avoid going on a rant, so I’ll just say this - capitalism does not work. The phenomena you are describing (… now people have too low standards) is called “tyranny of the majority” and capitalism does not have an answer for this. Hence why we really need to figure something out.
As a side note, I do not think communism nor socialism are the answer either! Despite what many are led to believe, we live in primitive times and have not figured out a sustainable economic model.
Wot
First of all, who moved from Facebook to Reddit?
Second of all, both of those platforms are literally the same. Corporate owned garbage. They didn’t move anywhere. When people say move, they mean to decentralized activitypub software which can’t be corporate controlled.
I’ve been saying for years that the advertiser-friendly neo-puritanicalism that was infecting the left was a trojan horse for conservatism, and then here we are.
How was it infecting the left?
kink@pride discourse was the first time I saw that.
Insistence on decorum, general anti-sex sentiments, curtailing of language to adhere to advertiser-friendly standards, to name a few.
I think all of that is true when it comes to mainstream public events, but bath houses are still a thing and queer people are still having a lot of sex. Playing to your audience is just strategic.
I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say, if I’m being honest.
I will say though that having sex and being pro-sex are two extremely different things, and the existence of one does not in any way imply the existence of the other.
I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say, if I’m being honest.
Advertisers didn’t change queer people, queer people changed advertisers.
I will say though that having sex and being pro-sex are two extremely different things, and the existence of one does not in any way imply the existence of the other.
How can someone have lots of sex without being pro-sex? You’re incorrectly conflating the idea of doing sexual things in general and the idea of doing sexual things in public; most Pride events are less overtly sexual now than they were in the past, but that’s not a reduction to the original goals of Pride.
Advertisers didn’t change queer people, queer people changed advertisers.
You’re not immune to marketing and conditioning. It’s not a one-way street, it’s two-way.
How can someone have lots of sex without being pro-sex?
I dunno, maybe ask the Catholic Church, or the Mormon Church, or any other famously anti-sex organization that promotes heavy breeding but still uses harmful shame tied to sex as a a means of control?
You’re incorrectly conflating the idea of doing sexual things in general and the idea of doing sexual things in public; most Pride events are less overtly sexual now than they were in the past, but that’s not a reduction to the original goals of Pride.
No, I’m not. You’re conflating being pro-sex with being sexually active.
C’mon, you don’t have to look very hard to find puritanical, anti-sex ‘leftists’
Yes advertisers like chase and Walmart and visa are truly the most left you can be.
I’m not calling those who craft and insist on this kind of language left, I am calling the people who accept and use it supposedly part of the left (in vague terms).
You are making my point. My point is that conservativism is charlatans and we becomes their stooges when we play according to their terms, including on the field of language.
funnily enough on tiktok you can say “fuckass” but you cant say someone’s intelligence is akin to that of a toaster or that someone is stupid. i have also seen the n word multiple times
Can we say braindead? Because that’s braindead.
You mean brainunalive?
I am going to beat someone to death with their own spinal column. Failing that I’ll just commit the blood eagle.
Heavy gore: Lyrics from Amon Amarth - Blood Eagle
Carved upon your naked back
BLOOD EAGLE
Skinned alive, your ribs are cracked
BLOOD EAGLE
Still alive, you gasp for air
As panic strikes your eyes they stare
Terror grips your dying heart
BLOOD EAGLE
The adult stuff goes deeper.
There are furries.
Deeper than that, there are bronies and non-bronie MLP (FIM) enthusiasts.
And below that, there are furries who like animal genitalia.
And at this point, a few miles down into the abyss, there are lolis.
ETA What should be under lolis but isn’t is CECOT. That is, is appears family friendly enough for VISA, also very real and sponsored and used by the US.
Jesus fucking christ one of these things is not the same.
I don’t care if people want to bang fictional anthropomorphized characters. It’s not my thing, but aside from that it has absolutely not bearing on my life and doesn’t present any kind of moral failing. It’s niche, and it’s fetish, and sure it’s a little odd, but it’s harmless.
Even as a non-furry, furries do not believe to be compared to pedophiles or lolicons.
These are not the same things.
Fantasizing about fucking Tony the Tiger is just in no way comparable to fantasizing about fucking a child without the intellectual or legal capacity for informed enthusiastic consent, and frankly, it’s weird as fuck to try and conflate the two.
I also echo the other commenter in saying that I have no idea what “CECOT” is supposed to mean.
How is that related to the post?
What’s cecot? I don’t want to look it up…
wait huh? there’s no way it’s that bad, right?
i luv y’all, fedi frens! ~ <3
Demonitising youtubers has made the Internet say Unalive A baby have been formed Frick
And other shit it’s stupid and the self censoring of fuck is annoying. I mean I would love for the Americans to invent new swear words. In German the censoring almost always fail since we have way to many words for insulting or swearing. Some are always free to use.
But the Americans just censor fuck instead of getting creative. Boring as a speech of Trump.
This is just the surface-level stuff that people see and get annoyed with. This faux puritanical censorship is also used to blot out content on “sensitive subjects” that would otherwise be informative to people but harmful to the corporate or state image. It’s getting harder and harder for news on the Palestinian genocide to trend before it gets shadowbanned on any platform, just as an example.
Twitter is filled with porn and racism but still has payment processing and ads. 4chan has payment processing. I don’t think this is a universal truth. It’s more like some sites purposefully chose to have strict guidelines for whatever reasons.
“Sorry guys, the ad people don’t like it.” was just an excuse, the real goal was censorship of the web.
If Corporations are allowed to set the rules as to what gets talked about and what can’t be mentioned, it’s easier to flood the net with advertisements for their products.
This was posted on tumblr where trans people being suspended by staff with no good reason is a fairly regular occurrence
I’ve been so deep into fediverse stuff that I forgot about that. I feel blessed
I mean it comes up basically every day here where people complain about censorship in a screenshot submitted to some shitpost or meme community.
Have never been on Tiktok. Have no regrets.
#blessed
do hashtags even work here?
Hashtags are a Twitter invention and Lemmy is a decentralized reddit clone and reddit doesn’t use hashtags so no.
They do work for those of us on mbin
Kinda (no).
On Lemmy hashtags are just to format a header, as you’ve shown. However, you might see them seemingly randomly because microblog users can post to lemmy and they use them because hashtags work as tags for them.
I mean, obviously this is true and a huge issue, but that’s part of what the Fediverse aims to address. Mainstream social media is fucked and done for.
It should be, and yet almost every single community is still enforcing some kind of stupid decorum or civility “standard” which sounds fine in theory, but almost always leads to a similar (albeit less egregious) thing. You still end up with jackasses who know how to play the civility game and are able to say intentionally antagonistic and awful things within the bound of decorum whose comments are allowed to stand while the decent people who rightly tell them to fuck off are getting moderated for “civility.”
So long as we keep pretending decorum and methodology matters more than intent and we keep insisting on civility over decency, we’re just doing the same damn shit.
So long as we keep pretending decorum and methodology matters more than intent and we keep insisting on civility over decency, we’re just doing the same damn shit.
Yeah, I really think that is the key to this. Because, to be frank, I think civility should be enforced in certain communities — not everywhere, necessarily — but, obviously, people that play the game while harming the community need to be excluded regardless. Civility matters, but decency > civility, every time.
Good riddance, I hope one days there’s an alternative to Discord, I don’t really trust it anymore, but I can’t think of a program that does the same thing but better.
I have heard some people trued matrix, but apparently it’s still kinda bad (or was a few months ago). The problem with switching is also always that most people still use the bad corpo site and you want to chat with your non-techie friends usually.
Trued Matrix?
No, because I was advised against by a peorson who tried it.
tried*
Well, I do believe there’s an open source Discord clone that’s self-hostable too. It’s called spacebar.
But does it have a user base?
…Well, some people use it. It can definitely work for your private servers!
Ahh…
Well gives me hope for the future at least
As soon as any one instance gets big enough and needs to get funding, the payment processors will crack down on allowed content. Don’t like it? Tough luck in receiving the money people are trying to send you.
Let me preface this by stating clearly that I am not a cryptobro, but this feels like one of the legitimate use cases for bitcoin or other crypto here.
Imo using crypto as an investment or maintaining an active wallet is fool’s errand stuff, but as far as actual transactional use, this feels a viable workaround to depower Visa/MC.
Just… Don’t get big enough, right? Limit user sign-ups. That seems to be the obvious solution to this, no? More instances will pop up. Am I crazy?
Good point
I think the issue is that these platforms are motivated by advertisers. I can build a Reddit clone in a weekend and have it be ad-free. It’s not expensive to host text + urls - which was how old.reddit.com used to operate. It’s basically a few dollars a month or I could host it out of my house for the cost of electricity (and security). And, without advertisers, I don’t really care what I host so long as it doesn’t directly contributing to harming others.
The main issues are:
- No one wants to join a platform devoid of content
- Once you reach a large enough platform that people want to join, it might require revenue streams to afford the scale
- It’s hard for people to even find platforms (Google will direct you to the top 5: Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok)
The modern infrastructure hasn’t changed. It’s still HTTP and servers. The problem is internet culture. We used to use the internet as an extension of our community. We could share links, forums, etc. in person (bizarre, I know). But now the internet is our entire community. And there is little drive to participate in niche communities. People like to be heard and to engage quickly on the internet which requires a large-ish platform (Lemmy is a good example of this).
No it’s really payment processors.
There have been multiple successful ad-free websites in the past. But they still need revenue to function. Revenue their users happily pay.
But then Visa or PayPal or whoever is handling the transactions starts to pay attention and then all the sudden there’s new rules in place or else they hike fees or just stop processing payments altogether.
And on the Internet, there is no true alternative methods of payment (hint: any viable methods are quickly suppressed by those same payment processors).
So the only way any website gets big is left to the whims of advertisers or payment processors (usually both).
I have no idea why we as a people are somehow fine with private companies having a complete stranglehold on all significant online business. Why we’ve allowed the government to privatize digital transactions, subject to very little rights or protections. It’s allowing private corporations to massively suppress free speech, commerce, and social gatherings in the digital sphere.
Honestly our supposed freedoms are more and more limited these days because they only apply to public spaces, but there’s been a continual erosion of ‘public’. Where is the modern town square? If the only place you can practice your ‘rights’ is almost nowhere, do you really have those rights at all?
The government should be mandating that ‘digital infrastructure’ (ISPs, data centers, payment processors, etc) are neutral and can’t be utilized to bully others out of business. That their privileged position also comes with extra responsibilities and restrictions so you don’t have the digital equivalent of cutting off water to an abortion clinic because the water utility is pro-life.
Probably ~15 years ago I knew a guy who used to help run a large local forum, one day without warning they got cut off entirely by Google because they decided some of their content wasn’t suitable to run ads against, so that was it the entire site got blocked.
Ended up having to break the site into 2 separate domains, one advertiser friendly, and one they wouldn’t touch.
I agree with most of what you said but I feel like we are talking past each other regarding the whole payment processor piece. How do payment processors impact what ads YouTube plays before a video?
