There’s a shit ton of information on Voter ID laws, most of it from like a decade ago when Republicans themselves were openly admitting that they were pushing it in order to disenfranchise “certain groups”.
It’s just so fucking dumb that, in 2025, people are pretending to not know the purpose of these laws.
It disenfranchises many voters. I know several people who don’t have valid IDs. I was almost unable to to vote last November because my ID expired, and all my local DMVs were booked for many months. Had to set an appointment 3 months in the future at a DMV 50 miles away from me to get an ID just before the election.
In many cases you can renew an ID online or by mail; if you can’t, there’s always the option to just show up at the DMV, you don’t have to have an appointment.
Your solution is to just spend an entire day at the DMV and hope you get seen so you don’t have to do it again the next day? In what world does that sound reasonable?
As someone who lived in countries where it’s actually difficult to get administrative tasks done, dropping into the DMV on a whim is not difficult by any measure.
I do care because it seems you choose to do tasks the hard way when there are actually easier routes to accomplish the same thing?
In my country i just get my vote-note in the mail. In America you now have to own a passport which most doesn’t, be a member of a party, which 90mil eligible voters aren’t, and hope that your boss has the same political views as you, so he lets you off work to go vote.
In America you now have to own a passport which most doesn’t, be a member of a party, which 90mil eligible voters aren’t, and hope that your boss has the same political views as you, so he lets you off work to go vote.
There are only 160mil valid passports in America right now.
You are right though that you can be a registrerede voter with no party affiliation, but there are still 50mil eligible voters that haven’t registrered.
And do you deny that a lot of Americans have a hard time getting off of work to go vote? That making election day a national holiday would not easily make a lot more people participate in the countrys democracy?
I would argue that having an early voting period spanning over several days is more effective than a single national holiday to enable more people to participate. As of August 2024, 47 U.S. states, along with the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands, offer early in-person voting to all voters.
It is! Some countries use a “permanent” ink to prevent voting twice, but yes, just let people vote.
Let’s imagine one person one vote, but without voter ID. Now, one person can be 10 people…IF that one person wants to set the record for “easiest voter fraud conviction ever.”
In-person election fraud isn’t a thing that statistically happens.
However, requiring an ID does SUPPRESS turnout in countries that are deporting so quickly they sometimes accidently deport their own citizens and can’t get them back (true story bro).
So you fixed a problem that doesn’t exist, but hurt poor and marginalized people. Sounds like a shitty idea.
In a place as polarized and corrupt as the US, Voter ID is merely a tool to keep Red or Blue in power. Tomfoolery involving the invalidation of a side’s enemies’ IDs is near certain.
The idea that you have to register to vote is not normal in most democracies.
For example, in the Netherlands you have to carry ID at all times, whether you are voting or just going for a walk. You don’t have to register to vote, you just get mail a while before the election with a paper that you take to the voting booth, which is usually a few minutes walk away.
Such a system prevents fraud (which is already a non-issue in the USA, even with its confusing and difficult system), and also makes it easy for as many people to vote.
The goal of voter ID laws is to provide ways to disenfranchise people, by making things slightly harder and create plausible points to not count some ballots.
Here in Italy we have “electoral cards” which are issued once every so many years and get reissued when expired or when you move. You need that AND your ID to vote.
Nobody makes a fuss. Just have to be an adult and remember to check if you lost yours sometime before you have to vote. Seems like a good minimum requirement for voting, being able to hold on a piece of paper.
in the Netherlands you have to carry ID at all times, whether you are voting or just going for a walk
That’s pretty disgusting. Are you sure though? Some Americans think this about America too. If true, why not just tattoo subtle ids on people or force facial/other recognition and fingerprinting and iris scanning on everyone. What age do you have to start carrying id?
Yeah that struck me, too. Sounds very weird to an American. Realistically, having an ID on your happens most of the time, but if I didn’t have to drive, I’d leave my wallet home and just carry my phone all the time.
You don’t even need a license on you to drive most places. You just need to be licensed. If you decide to id yourself they can just look your license up. My state has id on phone too though. You could see if yours does.
I didn’t know that was a thing. Looks like it’s a misdemeanor here to be driving without your license physically on you, but I’ll assume that will probably get updated at some point. Probably after I can’t drive any longer…
Surely, a leftist used to studying intricate theory and picking apart the layers of capitalist control to see the rot at its center would be able to see why voter ID laws are a problem. I have it under great authority that .ml is filled with such users. Can’t think of any possible reason why they’d be for it. None at all.
They got me banned from ml for calling them out because they were saying, “you have to give Trump credit for brokering peace in Gaza” a couple of weeks back.
The fact that Trump is saying out loud that voter ID laws would “allow them to win all future elections” should give you a clue as to why not.
Voter ID laws, at face value, are not the problem. The problem is that Republicans have made getting a valid ID damn near difficult in typically blue areas.
Not only that, there are simply no cases of voter fraud in the US where a voter ID would have stopped said fraud. Voter Fraud, as it happens, is so rare that the only really effective way to commit fraud is by ballot stuffing which, surprise surprise, Republicans have consistently been caught doing.
I don’t really care what Trump says. Most modern democracies have voter ID laws, that is the sensible thing to do. It is difficult to prove that voter fraud doesn’t happen, are you saying people just haven’t been caught?
You shouldn’t be able to vote as someone else just because you know their name and their address.
Of course, we should also prevent ballot stuffing.
Voter ID laws shouldn’t be controversial, they are enacted in most democracies.
Including Wisconsin. It’s been the law for over a decade. This just put it in the construction, for some damn fool reason.
ETA: Interesting story. We had a whistleblower testify in court that the legislators who created the law intended for it to suppress voter turnout.
One of our congresspeople (iirc) bragged about it suppressing enough votes to give the state to Trump in 2016 too.
Maybe you don’t remember because you didn’t speak English yet, but this is something that we figured out like 20 years ago.
Do like 5 minutes of actual research.
What are you talking about?
I think my comment was very clear.
There’s a shit ton of information on Voter ID laws, most of it from like a decade ago when Republicans themselves were openly admitting that they were pushing it in order to disenfranchise “certain groups”.
It’s just so fucking dumb that, in 2025, people are pretending to not know the purpose of these laws.
How much for a passport in the US? What’s the expiry time?
Are there any goverment workers left, that can issue them?
Ut costs $165 and is valid for 10 years. Yes of course.
Bout $80 and a decade
It disenfranchises many voters. I know several people who don’t have valid IDs. I was almost unable to to vote last November because my ID expired, and all my local DMVs were booked for many months. Had to set an appointment 3 months in the future at a DMV 50 miles away from me to get an ID just before the election.
I still can’t get my California ID because of how much the DMV is giving me the runaround. At this point, I just keep my WA ID and said fuck it.
In many cases you can renew an ID online or by mail; if you can’t, there’s always the option to just show up at the DMV, you don’t have to have an appointment.
The DMV (or secretary of state offices) I know won’t see you without an appointment.
And if you don’t have a home address then you don’t deserve to vote?
Remember when we decided to not let just land owners vote?
You deserve to vote despite not having a home address.
And voter ID laws make it so they cannot.
Your solution is to just spend an entire day at the DMV and hope you get seen so you don’t have to do it again the next day? In what world does that sound reasonable?
Most of the world actually.
Well I don’t have time in my life to spend an entire day at the DMV. And I don’t find that to be a reasonable expectation. So, not here.
I’ve had to pay late registration penalties due my vehicles before under the same circumstances. Walk in, 150 people in line, walk out.
Why don’t you renew your vehicle registration online or by mail?
I don’t have a fucking vehicle, does that mean I shouldn’t be able to vote?
What does that have to do with the conversation?
Why do you care? The story is about how difficult it is to just drop into the DMV on a whim.
As someone who lived in countries where it’s actually difficult to get administrative tasks done, dropping into the DMV on a whim is not difficult by any measure.
I do care because it seems you choose to do tasks the hard way when there are actually easier routes to accomplish the same thing?
Any obstruction to voting should be controversial.
Requiring identification is an obstruction to voting?
In my country i just get my vote-note in the mail. In America you now have to own a passport which most doesn’t, be a member of a party, which 90mil eligible voters aren’t, and hope that your boss has the same political views as you, so he lets you off work to go vote.
LOL that’s absolutely not true
Which part?
There are only 160mil valid passports in America right now.
You are right though that you can be a registrerede voter with no party affiliation, but there are still 50mil eligible voters that haven’t registrered.
And do you deny that a lot of Americans have a hard time getting off of work to go vote? That making election day a national holiday would not easily make a lot more people participate in the countrys democracy?
I would argue that having an early voting period spanning over several days is more effective than a single national holiday to enable more people to participate. As of August 2024, 47 U.S. states, along with the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands, offer early in-person voting to all voters.
It is! Some countries use a “permanent” ink to prevent voting twice, but yes, just let people vote.
Let’s imagine one person one vote, but without voter ID. Now, one person can be 10 people…IF that one person wants to set the record for “easiest voter fraud conviction ever.”
In-person election fraud isn’t a thing that statistically happens.
However, requiring an ID does SUPPRESS turnout in countries that are deporting so quickly they sometimes accidently deport their own citizens and can’t get them back (true story bro).
So you fixed a problem that doesn’t exist, but hurt poor and marginalized people. Sounds like a shitty idea.
Are you suggesting voter ID laws suppress turnout in most modern European democracies?
I’m pretty sure you can answer that one for yourself.
Right, it is not.
Then what’s the point?
In a place as polarized and corrupt as the US, Voter ID is merely a tool to keep Red or Blue in power. Tomfoolery involving the invalidation of a side’s enemies’ IDs is near certain.
Both true and not true.
The idea that you have to register to vote is not normal in most democracies.
For example, in the Netherlands you have to carry ID at all times, whether you are voting or just going for a walk. You don’t have to register to vote, you just get mail a while before the election with a paper that you take to the voting booth, which is usually a few minutes walk away.
Such a system prevents fraud (which is already a non-issue in the USA, even with its confusing and difficult system), and also makes it easy for as many people to vote.
The goal of voter ID laws is to provide ways to disenfranchise people, by making things slightly harder and create plausible points to not count some ballots.
Here in Italy we have “electoral cards” which are issued once every so many years and get reissued when expired or when you move. You need that AND your ID to vote.
Nobody makes a fuss. Just have to be an adult and remember to check if you lost yours sometime before you have to vote. Seems like a good minimum requirement for voting, being able to hold on a piece of paper.
That’s pretty disgusting. Are you sure though? Some Americans think this about America too. If true, why not just tattoo subtle ids on people or force facial/other recognition and fingerprinting and iris scanning on everyone. What age do you have to start carrying id?
Yeah that struck me, too. Sounds very weird to an American. Realistically, having an ID on your happens most of the time, but if I didn’t have to drive, I’d leave my wallet home and just carry my phone all the time.
You don’t even need a license on you to drive most places. You just need to be licensed. If you decide to id yourself they can just look your license up. My state has id on phone too though. You could see if yours does.
I didn’t know that was a thing. Looks like it’s a misdemeanor here to be driving without your license physically on you, but I’ll assume that will probably get updated at some point. Probably after I can’t drive any longer…
I am quite sure. I was out with a friend and he got fined for not carrying ID. The legal requirement starts at 16.
Hmm. Why would a .ml user support voter ID laws I wonder?
Surely, a leftist used to studying intricate theory and picking apart the layers of capitalist control to see the rot at its center would be able to see why voter ID laws are a problem. I have it under great authority that .ml is filled with such users. Can’t think of any possible reason why they’d be for it. None at all.
I have this user tagged.
They got me banned from ml for calling them out because they were saying, “you have to give Trump credit for brokering peace in Gaza” a couple of weeks back.
Why not?
The fact that Trump is saying out loud that voter ID laws would “allow them to win all future elections” should give you a clue as to why not.
Voter ID laws, at face value, are not the problem. The problem is that Republicans have made getting a valid ID damn near difficult in typically blue areas.
Not only that, there are simply no cases of voter fraud in the US where a voter ID would have stopped said fraud. Voter Fraud, as it happens, is so rare that the only really effective way to commit fraud is by ballot stuffing which, surprise surprise, Republicans have consistently been caught doing.
I don’t really care what Trump says. Most modern democracies have voter ID laws, that is the sensible thing to do. It is difficult to prove that voter fraud doesn’t happen, are you saying people just haven’t been caught? You shouldn’t be able to vote as someone else just because you know their name and their address.
Of course, we should also prevent ballot stuffing.
It’s a solution to a problem which doesn’t exist.
Implementing Republican voter suppression laws is not sensible.