Example: I believe that IP is a direct contradiction of nature, sacrificing the advancement of humanity and the world for selfish gain, and therefore is sinful.

Edit: pls do not downvote the comments this is a constructive discussion

Edit2: IP= intellectal property

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    But just to speak to what you said, if they are non-offending, are you talking about the ones that dont physically assault children? Because the ones who are viewing and distributing csam are still harming children. Maybe not directly, but its like supply and demand, isn’t it? People make it if people want it.

    I intentionally left that vague because of the nuance you mentioned. I think most people agree that physical assault of a child is heinous. Consumption of CP is more of a difficult gray area.

      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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        6 days ago

        Sure it is. A lot of people would agree that viewing drawings or AI generated CP is a victimless crime.

        Or for another example, two under-18s taking nude pics and sending them to each other. Technically illegal, but morally? Probably not bad.

      • silly goose meekah@lemmy.world
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        6 days ago

        It isn’t?

        Sure, consumption means creating demand, but it’s not directly harmful for the child. There is definitely much more wiggle room than when talking about straight up abuse or creating material.

        I’d be inclined to agree that pedophiles should not get access to CSAM, and even just owning some should be an offense. I am open to discussion with professionals though, if they say it will be helpful and deliver a good argument, I’d be open to change my opinion. Which makes this a grey area IMO

        • kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          6 days ago

          If it’s pornography of an unwilling subject, surely the distribution and consumption is harmful to the subject, as it’s a violation of their privacy and integrity.

          If someone had put secret cameras in your bedroom, would you be completely cool with them selling the pictures online?

          What if you were abused, let’s say threatened with a weapon and forced to undress in front of a camera, a traumatic experience for sure. Afterwards you learn that the film is being traded between people who get off on this stuff. Would that really not feel like a further violation?

          Would you really be unaffected by the knowledge that for the rest of your life, at any time, there could be creeps getting off on your abuse?