I would probably ask, what is God if not the Universe?
I suppose the next though would be is God apart of the Universe, or do they reside outside of the Universe?
If God were apart of the Universe, did they create themselves and the Universe, or did God themselves come into being at the Universe’s creation? Is God the Universe its self?
That saying that God is all within us, at least to me seems to imply that God is the Universe, and since humans are “created of the stars” we have God within us.
Or alternatively if God resides outside the Universe? Would that imply there is more beyond the Universe or do we simply reside in a “simulation” of sorts.
These are the sort of questions that make talking about religion so difficult because everyone believes different things even though they think they’re talking about the same thing. These are often too many questions for online discourse, and you have to ask every person to make sure the conversation is grounded, so what happens is these questions are simply ignored and people keep bickering over misunderstandings lol. But that’s human nature I suppose.
As far as I’m aware, many Christians believe Yahweh to be independent of the universe. He is the creator not the created.
Absolutely agreed, these conversations are generally very deep and definitely the Shit Post community is not the best fit for them.
That being said this one idea always resonated with me.
The idea that “we are drops of water joining to create the ocean”, suggesting that individuals are interconnected and form a larger whole, like drops of water merging to create a vast ocean.
Or how’s Ajaan, the Buddhist monk in season 2 of White Lotus phrases it.
“When you were born, you were like a single drop of water separated from the one giant consciousness. You are born, then you die to descend back into the water and become one with the ocean again. No more separated, no more suffering.”
Your conclusion does not follow your premises. Just because one thing has an attribute does not mean the thing that came before it has that same attribute. See:
Humans are born of the universe.
Humans are supposed to have two arms and two legs.
Therefore, the universe is supposed to have two arms and two legs.
Well put, this was my training of thought as well.
As a analogy, our body is the Universe. Our fingernails (the moon) do not experience themselves or have any awareness of their own existence. Our mind (a living thing) knows and experiences our fingernails and is aware of its own existence.
If humans are born of the universe, and humans are sentient. Is the universe not its self sentient.
The universe created life to experience its self. Or was the universe in its self already alive?
Yeah you are correct. Doesn’t have much to do with God though.
I would probably ask, what is God if not the Universe?
I suppose the next though would be is God apart of the Universe, or do they reside outside of the Universe?
If God were apart of the Universe, did they create themselves and the Universe, or did God themselves come into being at the Universe’s creation? Is God the Universe its self?
That saying that God is all within us, at least to me seems to imply that God is the Universe, and since humans are “created of the stars” we have God within us.
Or alternatively if God resides outside the Universe? Would that imply there is more beyond the Universe or do we simply reside in a “simulation” of sorts.
Great questions.
These are the sort of questions that make talking about religion so difficult because everyone believes different things even though they think they’re talking about the same thing. These are often too many questions for online discourse, and you have to ask every person to make sure the conversation is grounded, so what happens is these questions are simply ignored and people keep bickering over misunderstandings lol. But that’s human nature I suppose.
As far as I’m aware, many Christians believe Yahweh to be independent of the universe. He is the creator not the created.
Absolutely agreed, these conversations are generally very deep and definitely the Shit Post community is not the best fit for them.
That being said this one idea always resonated with me.
The idea that “we are drops of water joining to create the ocean”, suggesting that individuals are interconnected and form a larger whole, like drops of water merging to create a vast ocean.
Or how’s Ajaan, the Buddhist monk in season 2 of White Lotus phrases it.
“When you were born, you were like a single drop of water separated from the one giant consciousness. You are born, then you die to descend back into the water and become one with the ocean again. No more separated, no more suffering.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7cZAe3F3rQ
I thought this was beautiful put.
Basically sums up how I see the world lol.
Your conclusion does not follow your premises. Just because one thing has an attribute does not mean the thing that came before it has that same attribute. See:
The moon is not sentient.
He never said all of the universe is aware of all of itself.
It could be possible that some believe the universe is a container for all things while others believe it is all things.
Well put, this was my training of thought as well.
As a analogy, our body is the Universe. Our fingernails (the moon) do not experience themselves or have any awareness of their own existence. Our mind (a living thing) knows and experiences our fingernails and is aware of its own existence.
As far as I’m concerned, we’re atoms that understand we’re atoms. That’s the universe witnessing itself.