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I haven’t met or seen any of you… Man, the bots are really good at shitposting.
People worship all kinds of concepts that they’ve never seen.
The concept of alien is inside our finite comprehension and logic. That is, if Earth is a habitable planet, and it is habituated, then there are possibilities of other habitable planets. If that so, then It’s science’s job to prove the existence of other habituated planets( eventually alien). But, maintaing this vast universe is believed to be done by an Omnipotent being/entity called God, I guess people developed this way of thinking by their conscience and comprehension. So far, science hasn’t been able to explain many cosmic events, why those happen, how they happen etc. But the melody, the harmony that lies in those events, even science sometimes has to say that those kinds of events can only be happen with the presence of an Omnipotent, conscious entity/being. Science and Religion are a total different thing. One is based on fact and the other is based on faith. Both have different psychological wiring on the mind thus people think differently towards these 2 subjects. Just let it as it be and laugh at this meme. Your faith or fact is unharmed. Don’t worry.🤝🫂
“But the melody, the harmony that lies in those events, even science sometimes has to say that those kinds of events can only be happen with the presence of an Omnipotent, conscious entity/being.”
No. Scientists will collectively say “we don’t know” and continue research and asking questions. Modern scientists don’t chalk it up to God. This isn’t the 1600s.
Not knowing something isn’t the fault of science. Science naturally researches, digs up what it doesn’t know and then proposes an answer/explanation. But it doesn’t mean that it allies with the concept of religion. This loop will end up somewhere like: “If you know something, then you don’t have to believe it anymore. Because… Well, you know it now.” This kind of loophole will circulate around people who try to mesh science and religion together. Science “MIGHT” eventually find the answers behind those unexplainable cosmic events. If science find it, then it’ll be science’s success. But religion comes within faith. People believe something they don’t know the answer of, existence of. They live their life by the commands of the books in hope for what is promised to them in afterlife. That’s it. [ What would happen if religious people came to know about God, heaven and hell, afterlife is just the bottom pit of the loophole. If people knew those things, you can’t be 100% sure that all the ‘religious’ people would live their life according to the commands of their religion to get into heaven. Uncertainty exists both in science and in religion. ]
“If people knew those things, you can’t be 100% sure that all the ‘religious’ people would live their life according to the commands of their religion to get into heaven.”
They already don’t 😂
By that logic they saw a god. But I’d ask if they need a starship first. Then that would confirm if they were a god.
Why won’t you get the vaccine? “Because idk what’s in it.” Why did you get Chinese dick and hair pills? “Because I NEED it!”
“Was your burger tasty?”
That why I don’t believe in Bird
Unsure if relevant, since this is a meme post, but for anyone interested: faith is quite a complex concept. And this silly atheist vs religious conflict is so pointless. It does nothing but elevate some people’s egos and infuriate others. Sadly, both sides are heavily uninformed. Most atheists spent at most 3 seconds studying religion, while most religious people never questioned a single thing about their religion. How can you understand somebody and their point of view, if you haven’t even imagined yourself in their shoes, let alone walked in them? Short story is: to ‘believe’ in God, or any other religious entity, does not mean ‘to think He exists’. In fact, you can ‘believe’ in any god, while being completely convinced they don’t exist. Fact and faith are fully separate. At least some confusion here is intentionally created by religious institutions, like the Catholic Church. Most of what they do goes against the Bible and Jesus’ teachings, but it’s not like they care. Focusing on Christianity here, because that’s what I studied the most (my country is Christian). Same applies to Judaism and Islam. Other religions less, since these three have the biggest, most organized official structures (massive red flag in case it wasn’t obvious). Anyway, I invite everyone to read about and learn their so-called enemies’ ways instead of blindly ridiculing them.
You’re using the term faith differently than everybody else.
Reading the Bible has made me despise Christianity even more. It’s not the content that upsets me, it’s the brash hypocrisy that Christian Nationalists operate by that upsets me. Too many Christians go directly against Christs teachings. It’s not rocket science either. It’s clear, concise teachings to love your neighbor as thyself… And yet they’ll say oh no that’s taken out of context… Fucking ridiculous. Christ would flip so many Christian tables. That might be what the second coming is tbh. Just flipping these flagrant hypocrites tables.
I don’t need to analyze religion to know that 9000 gods on this earth means not a single one of them is right and that single one of them is just a money scam, no further deep thinking needed, magical thinking, fuck that
First, paragraph breaks. Please use them.
Second, that isn’t how everyone feels. That is how you feel. People do in fact find it utterly hypocritical to see one thing one way and not the other and then claim to have knowledge above anyone else.
Third, aliens are more likely than gods. Mathematically speaking.
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Added paragraph breaks and will try to use them actively.
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As mentioned in another reply, I was referring to the base idea, and not to what people think or feel. Perhaps I failed to convey that effectively.
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Probably true. Hard to say for certain, but as far as I can tell, ‘aliens’ are practically guaranteed to exist, while gods are the opposite.
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Statistically speaking*
This makes no sense. Most people when asked about the literal existence of god say they think so. Americans only fell below 50% very recently…again the literal existence of god (the numbers are similar for the Gallup poll on belief in god). You’re drawing a dichotomy that does not exist.
About half of American adults believe in the actual existence of a spiritual patriarchy and here you are trying to claim belief!=belief in existence. Unless you have something to back it up, I’m calling bs.
What you’re saying is completely true, but in no way contradicts what I said. I was referring to the fundamental idea of faith. I never said people adhere to it, and that nobody actually thinks God, or whatever else, exists.
Obviously, a lot of people do. Just like a lot of people think the Earth is flat or that chocolate milk comes from chocolate cows. A huge number of people are uneducated, have been fed propaganda and manipulated for years. I don’t think anyone needs any convincing that churches lie to and scam people on a daily basis for personal gain. But doesn’t make faith or religion itself a lie.
Similarly, there’s quite a few self improvement gurus who make up false ideas about self improvement and feed lies to their many, many followers. But does that make self improvement itself a lie, or a pointless dream?
“I don’t think anyone needs any convincing that churches lie to and scam people on a daily basis for personal gain.”
And yet televangelists exist. Megachurches exist. Churches have been scamming Christs sheep for millennia all for them to be none the wiser.
So you refer with
Short story is: to ‘believe’ in God, or any other religious entity, does not mean ‘to think He exists’. In fact, you can ‘believe’ in any god, while being completely convinced they don’t exist. Fact and faith are fully separate.
to the church vs. belief thing?
I’d wager most millenial-and-older atheists probably attended mass regularly as kids. Many are probably baptized, confirmed, had communion, etc.
We just realized it’s all bullshit intended for social control at some point along the way.
Same kids who stopped saying the pledge in school as soon as they realized they could.
Zoomer and younger atheists…yeah, they might have not had that experience. Probably because they were brought up by already-atheist (or at least barely-believing, twice-a-year types) gen-x and older millennials.
Completely agree. I had the same experiences as a kid. Organized religious institutions always go against the religions they pretend to preach. Religious belief should be a personal choice, not a mass brain washing.
The Catholic Church requires that Christians indoctrine their children into Christianity since they are born. But this is the Church speaking, not Christianity or Jesus. In fact, the New Testament clearly says that it is perfectly acceptable for the family of a Christian to reject Christianity. The sole fact that they love the part of their family that is Christian, is enough.
But of course, barely any self-proclaimed Christians have ever opened the Bible, let alone read it. And the Church coveniently doesn’t recommend reading it.
Funny you should mention that.
My paternal grandparents were very religious, and my dad attended mass regularly as a kid and went to Catholic school.
However, I don’t think he’s willingly set foot into a church except for funerals since I was born.
My grandmother would drag me to church several times a week though.
Didn’t stop my dad from threatening to baptize my kid behind my back when my first kid was a baby. I think it was said in jest, or maybe to troll me…but my oldest is 8 now and neither of my kids have been around my parents unsupervised. Reap what you sow.
And the Church coveniently doesn’t recommend reading it.
That’s their own fault. Should’ve left it in Latin. Or Aramaic.
My experience with random processes: on large scales, things either happen 0 times or many times. So I find the idea that life exists in only one place pretty implausible.
That’s the rule for astronomy. If it happens once, it always happens; we just haven’t seen it yet
Define life
Here I googled it for you
It is defined descriptively by the capacity for homeostasis, organisation, metabolism, growth, adaptation, response to stimuli, and reproduction.
If you’re gonna be on lemmy you should really learn basic definitions or at least learn how to look them up. Then you should go back to your high school and burn it down (without anyone inside) because it completely failed you.
Well God is an alien, by definition.
If god is anything, why not crab
He’s supoosedly everywhere, but i don’t think he has any papers, he’s an illegal alien
Deport Jésus (Christ)!
No anti authoritarian rebels allowed here. Probably ms13
Iamverysmart atheists understanding the nuances of religion and faith being an inherently irrational yet human response to existential dread challenge (impossible)
So…to be clear you think we don’t know religion is an irrational response to existential dread? Cause…I have a bridge to sell you.
human response to existential dread
I realize this was likely not intended, but you’ve ironically removed most of the nuance in why religions came to exist in this statement lol.
Yeah like that’s exactly what the folks I know think. There’s nothing, and it sucks, but we don’t need religion as copium.
The post is actually by a theist that believes in aliens, and wants others to do so too
Interesting logic or backstory?
I swear this post is straight from 9gag. It feels like it was made 15 years ago…
15 years ago it was mostly lolcats and rage comics.
Pretty sure 15 years ago was like…1998
Me too buddy, me too.
Fffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
If humans are born of the universe, and humans are sentient. Is the universe not its self sentient.
The universe created life to experience its self. Or was the universe in its self already alive?
Yeah you are correct. Doesn’t have much to do with God though.
I would probably ask, what is God if not the Universe?
I suppose the next though would be is God apart of the Universe, or do they reside outside of the Universe?
If God were apart of the Universe, did they create themselves and the Universe, or did God themselves come into being at the Universe’s creation? Is God the Universe its self?
That saying that God is all within us, at least to me seems to imply that God is the Universe, and since humans are “created of the stars” we have God within us.
Or alternatively if God resides outside the Universe? Would that imply there is more beyond the Universe or do we simply reside in a “simulation” of sorts.
Great questions.
These are the sort of questions that make talking about religion so difficult because everyone believes different things even though they think they’re talking about the same thing. These are often too many questions for online discourse, and you have to ask every person to make sure the conversation is grounded, so what happens is these questions are simply ignored and people keep bickering over misunderstandings lol. But that’s human nature I suppose.
As far as I’m aware, many Christians believe Yahweh to be independent of the universe. He is the creator not the created.
Absolutely agreed, these conversations are generally very deep and definitely the Shit Post community is not the best fit for them.
That being said this one idea always resonated with me.
The idea that “we are drops of water joining to create the ocean”, suggesting that individuals are interconnected and form a larger whole, like drops of water merging to create a vast ocean.
Or how’s Ajaan, the Buddhist monk in season 2 of White Lotus phrases it.
“When you were born, you were like a single drop of water separated from the one giant consciousness. You are born, then you die to descend back into the water and become one with the ocean again. No more separated, no more suffering.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7cZAe3F3rQ
I thought this was beautiful put.
Basically sums up how I see the world lol.
- Humans are born of the universe.
- Humans are sentient.
- Therefore, the universe is sentient.
Your conclusion does not follow your premises. Just because one thing has an attribute does not mean the thing that came before it has that same attribute. See:
- Humans are born of the universe.
- Humans are supposed to have two arms and two legs.
- Therefore, the universe is supposed to have two arms and two legs.
The moon is not sentient.
He never said all of the universe is aware of all of itself.
It could be possible that some believe the universe is a container for all things while others believe it is all things.
Well put, this was my training of thought as well.
As a analogy, our body is the Universe. Our fingernails (the moon) do not experience themselves or have any awareness of their own existence. Our mind (a living thing) knows and experiences our fingernails and is aware of its own existence.
As far as I’m concerned, we’re atoms that understand we’re atoms. That’s the universe witnessing itself.
A lot of Christians will say no to believing in Aliens but because they believe God created humans and gave us the universe.
Or in a similar vain, because aliens aren’t mentioned in the Bible they don’t think they are real.
Does the Bible mention Mario kart
I’m pretty sure rainbow road is in there once or twice
I’m not at all saying this is how I feel.
I was raised a Christian and considered myself one until I reached the age of reason. So I have some insight into how they think.
It’s funny how a lot of kids learn Santa isn’t real but keep believing in God. Maybe because learning God isn’t real is significantly more painful to the soul so they refuse to consider it.
Well I’ve never seen air. Nor oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, the list goes on and on. I’ve never seen Ukraine, but I do believe there is some awful shit going on over there.
We can weigh all of those gases. We can also blow them up. We can also look at emissions spectrums. There’s a lot of ways to test gases. That’s why we know they exist.
As for Ukraine… People have been there. There are pictures and videos. Thousands of years of history.
I’m not sure if you’re joking or not because I’ve seen people with similar arguments.
If you are not sure if I’m joking, I’m giving you permission to assume that in fact I am joking.
Instagram reels have made it impossible for me to tell when people are joking haha. No matter how ridiculous the position, someone on there will have it.
I’m not using (being used by) any meta products at this time.
Yup, I deleted all of mine. Trash company.
If you’ve seen that blue-ness in the sky you’ve seen air.
But you’ve certainly directly interacted with all of them in some form or another.
