- cross-posted to:
- atheistmemes@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- atheistmemes@lemmy.world
You must log in or register to comment.
The concept of alien is inside our finite comprehension and logic. That is, if Earth is a habitable planet, and it is habituated, then there are possibilities of other habitable planets. If that so, then It’s science’s job to prove the existence of other habituated planets( eventually alien). But, maintaing this vast universe is believed to be done by an Omnipotent being/entity called God, I guess people developed this way of thinking by their conscience and comprehension. So far, science hasn’t been able to explain many cosmic events, why those happen, how they happen etc. But the melody, the harmony that lies in those events, even science sometimes has to say that those kinds of events can only be happen with the presence of an Omnipotent, conscious entity/being. Science and Religion are a total different thing. One is based on fact and the other is based on faith. Both have different psychological wiring on the mind thus people think differently towards these 2 subjects. Just let it as it be and laugh at this meme. Your faith or fact is unharmed. Don’t worry.🤝🫂
“But the melody, the harmony that lies in those events, even science sometimes has to say that those kinds of events can only be happen with the presence of an Omnipotent, conscious entity/being.”
No. Scientists will collectively say “we don’t know” and continue research and asking questions. Modern scientists don’t chalk it up to God. This isn’t the 1600s.
Not knowing something isn’t the fault of science. Science naturally researches, digs up what it doesn’t know and then proposes an answer/explanation. But it doesn’t mean that it allies with the concept of religion. This loop will end up somewhere like: “If you know something, then you don’t have to believe it anymore. Because… Well, you know it now.” This kind of loophole will circulate around people who try to mesh science and religion together. Science “MIGHT” eventually find the answers behind those unexplainable cosmic events. If science find it, then it’ll be science’s success. But religion comes within faith. People believe something they don’t know the answer of, existence of. They live their life by the commands of the books in hope for what is promised to them in afterlife. That’s it. [ What would happen if religious people came to know about God, heaven and hell, afterlife is just the bottom pit of the loophole. If people knew those things, you can’t be 100% sure that all the ‘religious’ people would live their life according to the commands of their religion to get into heaven. Uncertainty exists both in science and in religion. ]
“If people knew those things, you can’t be 100% sure that all the ‘religious’ people would live their life according to the commands of their religion to get into heaven.”
They already don’t 😂
That why I don’t believe in Bird
I haven’t met or seen any of you… Man, the bots are really good at shitposting.
Logic in religion? That’s your first mistake there.
deleted by creator
If humans are born of the universe, and humans are sentient. Is the universe not its self sentient.
The universe created life to experience its self. Or was the universe in its self already alive?
Yeah you are correct. Doesn’t have much to do with God though.
I would probably ask, what is God if not the Universe?
I suppose the next though would be is God apart of the Universe, or do they reside outside of the Universe?
If God were apart of the Universe, did they create themselves and the Universe, or did God themselves come into being at the Universe’s creation? Is God the Universe its self?
That saying that God is all within us, at least to me seems to imply that God is the Universe, and since humans are “created of the stars” we have God within us.
Or alternatively if God resides outside the Universe? Would that imply there is more beyond the Universe or do we simply reside in a “simulation” of sorts.
Great questions.
These are the sort of questions that make talking about religion so difficult because everyone believes different things even though they think they’re talking about the same thing. These are often too many questions for online discourse, and you have to ask every person to make sure the conversation is grounded, so what happens is these questions are simply ignored and people keep bickering over misunderstandings lol. But that’s human nature I suppose.
As far as I’m aware, many Christians believe Yahweh to be independent of the universe. He is the creator not the created.
Absolutely agreed, these conversations are generally very deep and definitely the Shit Post community is not the best fit for them.
That being said this one idea always resonated with me.
The idea that “we are drops of water joining to create the ocean”, suggesting that individuals are interconnected and form a larger whole, like drops of water merging to create a vast ocean.
Or how’s Ajaan, the Buddhist monk in season 2 of White Lotus phrases it.
“When you were born, you were like a single drop of water separated from the one giant consciousness. You are born, then you die to descend back into the water and become one with the ocean again. No more separated, no more suffering.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7cZAe3F3rQ
I thought this was beautiful put.
Basically sums up how I see the world lol.
The moon is not sentient.
He never said all of the universe is aware of all of itself.
It could be possible that some believe the universe is a container for all things while others believe it is all things.
Well put, this was my training of thought as well.
As a analogy, our body is the Universe. Our fingernails (the moon) do not experience themselves or have any awareness of their own existence. Our mind (a living thing) knows and experiences our fingernails and is aware of its own existence.
As far as I’m concerned, we’re atoms that understand we’re atoms. That’s the universe witnessing itself.
- Humans are born of the universe.
- Humans are sentient.
- Therefore, the universe is sentient.
Your conclusion does not follow your premises. Just because one thing has an attribute does not mean the thing that came before it has that same attribute. See:
- Humans are born of the universe.
- Humans are supposed to have two arms and two legs.
- Therefore, the universe is supposed to have two arms and two legs.
Iamverysmart atheists understanding the nuances of religion and faith being an inherently irrational yet human response to existential dread challenge (impossible)
deleted by creator
The post is actually by a theist that believes in aliens, and wants others to do so too
human response to existential dread
I realize this was likely not intended, but you’ve ironically removed most of the nuance in why religions came to exist in this statement lol.
deleted by creator
What is a category error? I’ll try Basic Philosophy again for 400 Alex.
By that logic they saw a god. But I’d ask if they need a starship first. Then that would confirm if they were a god.
It’s really stupid to not believe in aliens given the size of the universe.
I’d believe it when I see evidence. Otherwise it’s just a possibility.
We are the evidence. Life can happen. It’s been proven. If it’s happening here, it’s crazy to think we are somehow special and it’s not happening somewhere else out there.
alien doesn’t necessarily mean sapient, humanoid or even anything larger than a walnut. if you took life on earth as a sample of the universe it would be much more likely for an alien lifeform to be a plant or bacteria. and even an animal is more likely to be an insect than a mammal-like animal, much less anything humanoid.
(someone should look into the numbers my source is just vague memory at this point)
I think we should be looking inter dimensionally for alien life rather than extraterrestrial.
How?
Also given the scale of time of the universe. We as humans have only existed for a small amout of time on the vast scale of things.
Countless alien civilizations may have existed and destroyed themselves, and may others may have not come into existence yet.
Revelation Space (#scifi) delves neatly into that.
“Earth First” is an interesting and compelling explanation for the Fermi Paradox.
People who are interested in aliens and UFOs rarely solely make this argument. Often, they’ve encountered or somehow know of these aliens.
If aliens have been to earth, how come all the bigots keep bitching about illegal ones? 🤔
That’s a bit of an oxymorinic argument those people use. If an inteligent species dropped by and had ONE look around, they would NOT turn on their high beams.
If an intelligent species was able to travel the distance to actually reach us that’d mean they are far far far far beyond our technological capacity. It’d be game over if aliens ever reached us.
Ancient alien theorists say yes
It’s really stupid to believe aliens visited earth given the size of the universe.
What about the American people constantly complaining about aliens illegally entering their country? Explain this!
Fucking Englishmen in New York.
Those are 2 completely different statements.
It wasn’t a refutation. It was added information.
Yeah the idea that aliens exist but haven’t been here yet is basically the plot of the awesome series
Sorry I was not 100% sure so I figured I’d respond just in case.
Comments should come with this disclaimer. People get so upset when you continue the discussion for no reason.
I also agree with this statement, although it’s well within the realm of possibility that life on Earth was seeded by an ancient extraterrestrial civilization. That’s a timescale of a few billion years.
But it’s still not as stupid as thinking that the supreme creator of the infinite universe has a personal interest in how you live your life.
That would make some sense if not for overwhelming proof of evolution of both, animals and nature that started out with pretty much nothing
I like to entertain the idea that something similar to mushroom spores were emitted throughout a part of space and mostly didn’t work but, where it did, life was ready to ride evolution all over again from just the basics. Just fun to think about. I’m not a witch, don’t burn me
Well God is an alien, by definition.
He’s supoosedly everywhere, but i don’t think he has any papers, he’s an illegal alien
Deport Jésus (Christ)!
deleted by creator
If god is anything, why not crab
My experience with random processes: on large scales, things either happen 0 times or many times. So I find the idea that life exists in only one place pretty implausible.
That’s the rule for astronomy. If it happens once, it always happens; we just haven’t seen it yet
Define life
deleted by creator
Interesting logic or backstory?
Maybe god wasn’t capable of creating aliens…
In my younger years I tried to make sense of the ‘God created humans’ thing by envisioning lots of aliens species with lots of gods, each catering for their own pets. Then I wondered if these gods would compete over who had the best pet, or would go to war with each other.
God is all powerful, but only up to and limited too creating one sentient life form
I don’t think sentient is the word you’re looking for, as animals have sentience.
Maybe God created the speed of light to keep players region-locked.
Unsure if relevant, since this is a meme post, but for anyone interested: faith is quite a complex concept. And this silly atheist vs religious conflict is so pointless. It does nothing but elevate some people’s egos and infuriate others. Sadly, both sides are heavily uninformed. Most atheists spent at most 3 seconds studying religion, while most religious people never questioned a single thing about their religion. How can you understand somebody and their point of view, if you haven’t even imagined yourself in their shoes, let alone walked in them? Short story is: to ‘believe’ in God, or any other religious entity, does not mean ‘to think He exists’. In fact, you can ‘believe’ in any god, while being completely convinced they don’t exist. Fact and faith are fully separate. At least some confusion here is intentionally created by religious institutions, like the Catholic Church. Most of what they do goes against the Bible and Jesus’ teachings, but it’s not like they care. Focusing on Christianity here, because that’s what I studied the most (my country is Christian). Same applies to Judaism and Islam. Other religions less, since these three have the biggest, most organized official structures (massive red flag in case it wasn’t obvious). Anyway, I invite everyone to read about and learn their so-called enemies’ ways instead of blindly ridiculing them.
First, paragraph breaks. Please use them.
Second, that isn’t how everyone feels. That is how you feel. People do in fact find it utterly hypocritical to see one thing one way and not the other and then claim to have knowledge above anyone else.
Third, aliens are more likely than gods. Mathematically speaking.
-
Added paragraph breaks and will try to use them actively.
-
As mentioned in another reply, I was referring to the base idea, and not to what people think or feel. Perhaps I failed to convey that effectively.
-
Probably true. Hard to say for certain, but as far as I can tell, ‘aliens’ are practically guaranteed to exist, while gods are the opposite.
-
Statistically speaking*
Reading the Bible has made me despise Christianity even more. It’s not the content that upsets me, it’s the brash hypocrisy that Christian Nationalists operate by that upsets me. Too many Christians go directly against Christs teachings. It’s not rocket science either. It’s clear, concise teachings to love your neighbor as thyself… And yet they’ll say oh no that’s taken out of context… Fucking ridiculous. Christ would flip so many Christian tables. That might be what the second coming is tbh. Just flipping these flagrant hypocrites tables.
I don’t need to analyze religion to know that 9000 gods on this earth means not a single one of them is right and that single one of them is just a money scam, no further deep thinking needed, magical thinking, fuck that
deleted by creator
What you’re saying is completely true, but in no way contradicts what I said. I was referring to the fundamental idea of faith. I never said people adhere to it, and that nobody actually thinks God, or whatever else, exists.
Obviously, a lot of people do. Just like a lot of people think the Earth is flat or that chocolate milk comes from chocolate cows. A huge number of people are uneducated, have been fed propaganda and manipulated for years. I don’t think anyone needs any convincing that churches lie to and scam people on a daily basis for personal gain. But doesn’t make faith or religion itself a lie.
Similarly, there’s quite a few self improvement gurus who make up false ideas about self improvement and feed lies to their many, many followers. But does that make self improvement itself a lie, or a pointless dream?
So you refer with
Short story is: to ‘believe’ in God, or any other religious entity, does not mean ‘to think He exists’. In fact, you can ‘believe’ in any god, while being completely convinced they don’t exist. Fact and faith are fully separate.
to the church vs. belief thing?
“I don’t think anyone needs any convincing that churches lie to and scam people on a daily basis for personal gain.”
And yet televangelists exist. Megachurches exist. Churches have been scamming Christs sheep for millennia all for them to be none the wiser.
I’d wager most millenial-and-older atheists probably attended mass regularly as kids. Many are probably baptized, confirmed, had communion, etc.
We just realized it’s all bullshit intended for social control at some point along the way.
Same kids who stopped saying the pledge in school as soon as they realized they could.
Zoomer and younger atheists…yeah, they might have not had that experience. Probably because they were brought up by already-atheist (or at least barely-believing, twice-a-year types) gen-x and older millennials.
Completely agree. I had the same experiences as a kid. Organized religious institutions always go against the religions they pretend to preach. Religious belief should be a personal choice, not a mass brain washing.
The Catholic Church requires that Christians indoctrine their children into Christianity since they are born. But this is the Church speaking, not Christianity or Jesus. In fact, the New Testament clearly says that it is perfectly acceptable for the family of a Christian to reject Christianity. The sole fact that they love the part of their family that is Christian, is enough.
But of course, barely any self-proclaimed Christians have ever opened the Bible, let alone read it. And the Church coveniently doesn’t recommend reading it.
Funny you should mention that.
My paternal grandparents were very religious, and my dad attended mass regularly as a kid and went to Catholic school.
However, I don’t think he’s willingly set foot into a church except for funerals since I was born.
My grandmother would drag me to church several times a week though.
Didn’t stop my dad from threatening to baptize my kid behind my back when my first kid was a baby. I think it was said in jest, or maybe to troll me…but my oldest is 8 now and neither of my kids have been around my parents unsupervised. Reap what you sow.
And the Church coveniently doesn’t recommend reading it.
That’s their own fault. Should’ve left it in Latin. Or Aramaic.
You’re using the term faith differently than everybody else.
