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    Happy to hear you out and I didn’t downvote, but I’m not sure how it’s racist. The original cartoon doesn’t seem racist (though Bugs Bunny has plenty of that in other cartoons) and I’m not sure how this frame could be taken that way otherwise.

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      Whoever it was, ive blocked them as either a troll or a complete dumbass. So take that for what it’s worth.

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      “I’m not sure how this frame could be taken that way”

      yes, you are:

      “Bugs Bunny has plenty of [racism] in other cartoons”

      it sounds like you do understand that cartoon is racist. you said it.

      why associate the right to repair with a racist cartoon when there are so many not racist cartoons?

      especially when bugs is such a capitalist mascot, and you’re trying to make this communist.

      doesn’t make sense why you would choose that specific frame to associate with Communism (which many people associate with China) from that specific cartoon that is known for Asian racism to promote right to repair.

      like, use Donatello fixing a gadget.

      or Dexter.

      or inspector gadgets niece whatever, or that mouse girl from that show… I think her name is gadget.

      none of them have racist associations that you, yourself are aware of and yet are promoting.

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        You seem to have skipped over actually explaining how this meme is racist… Afaik it’s just one of those exaggerated stretched frames from animation used to animate motion which is why it looks funny. The scene of the cartoon has nothing to do with race, and could just as easily be replaced with any other exaggerated cartoon frame.

        If your sole complaint is the addition of the hammer & sickle, then no amount of substituting of bugs bunny with other cartoons will make a difference.

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          none of your comment is related to what I or the other commenters have posted.

          as I noted and OP agreed, bugs Bunny cartoons are historically, factually racist.

          I specifically quoted their admission of that cartoon being racist.

          I also never mentioned the sickle, it’s the specific choice to use a racist cartoon when there are plenty of non-racist cartoons to use.

          I just saw you were “all” from ml and world though, now I see why you “all” are defending the use of racism.

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            none of your comment is related to what I or the other commenters have posted.

            Maybe being more specific about your complaints would help, instead of going with “you know why it’s racist”. Also you specifically quoted the question of how this specific frame was racist with “you know how”, so you really gave the impression that you thought something contained in the image was racist.

            as I noted and OP agreed, bugs Bunny cartoons are historically, factually racist.

            So your only complaint is that bugs bunny as a whole is racist and that makes the meme racist? That’s your issue?

            And ml has been my instance of choice since before shitjustworks and world existed. Not sure what your point is. Does your accusation apply to world, cafe, and ee considering people from all of those instances also seem to agree or do you just have beef with ml?

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              read my comment if you don’t understand instead of just making things up and extrapolating.

              the racism and subsequent cultural insensitivity is explained very clearly and everybody else who has commented understands it.

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                read my comment if you don’t understand

                I read:

                “I’m not sure how this frame could be taken that way”

                yes, you are

                Which tells me that you do believe that this frame is racist. If you didn’t mean that when the other commenter interpreted you as saying that, then you missed your opportunity to make yourself clear.

                Regardless, I don’t think a cartoon character having some racist episodes is equivalent to the character itself being racist, and I definitely don’t think it means that character shouldn’t be used for anything. It seems like you don’t make that distinction (again, here’s an opportunity to clarify your position if that is inaccurate).

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                  “which tells me…”

                  literally the next sentence explains your out of context quote.

                  read all of the comments and the whole of each comment if you’re going to respond to them.

                  right now you’re just making things up or assuming things and then extrapolating on your make believe.

                  as long as you keep making things up, I’m going to point out the things that you’re making up.

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                    I did read that part too :) however it doesn’t logically follow that if you recognize that some episodes are racist that this makes this frame also racist. That is the logical leap you have yet to explain.

                    It seems you are much more interested in accusing others of making assumptions than you are at actually clearing up any misunderstandings in what you are saying - which I don’t think I’m particularly unjustified in saying is a self inflicted problem.

                    You know you can actually just reply with “Hi, I didn’t actually mean that but here’s how I am considering this specific frame as racist” instead of getting all aggro. You know you have an actual chance of communicating your point when people ask you to clarify - yet instead you seem all to eager to throw that away. You’re really shooting yourself in the foot in this discussion.

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            Yeah, take your reactionary bullshit and shove it where the sun don’t shine, buddy. Your imaginary world doesn’t actually exist. Get used to it.

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              “reactionary”

              you are using this word incorrectly.

              you are literally the reactionary here.

              I’m advocating for political and social reform by asking people to be less racist and more culturally aware.

              you’re opposing this reform, and are thus, by definition, a reactionary.

              “imaginary”

              here’s one of the very well known racist cartoons starring bugs:

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugs_Bunny_Nips_the_Nips

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                No.

                You’re doing none of this.

                You’re retroactively applying the motivations of some of the writers of a cartoon to the entire body of work, as well as to somebody taking a single frame out of context.

                You ain’t advocating for shit; you’re advertising your own high opinion of yourself and disdain for others. You have petty insults, and actually applaud yourself for thinking that is advocating reform.

                Your entire game is reacting to anything you disagree with. You are the perfect example of the word.

                And even if I were opposing social reform (which I’m not; I’m trolling morons on a forum), that’s not what reactionary means. Because reactionary behavior exists everywhere on the political spectrum; it has absolutely nothing to do with whether you are “left” or “right”. And guess what? Gaslighting is another common tactic of reactionaries. Oops.

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                  nope, I said none of that. you’re playing make believe.

                  I’m advocating for social and political reform through racial sensitivity, you are “reacting” against that reform.

                  you’re a reactionary.

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      I don’t understand what the image is trying to convey anyway (though agree with the premise of Amazon-fucking).

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        Amazon still wants to retain a sense of ownership of their Kindle devices, despite it being the user who one who bought and owns it.

        It’s a similar idea (albeit corrupt) idea to communism, where you don’t own anything, as everyone owns it. (there’s a USSR emblem in the corner, signifying the meme has an oppressive communistic feel about the subject)