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I read:
Which tells me that you do believe that this frame is racist. If you didn’t mean that when the other commenter interpreted you as saying that, then you missed your opportunity to make yourself clear.
Regardless, I don’t think a cartoon character having some racist episodes is equivalent to the character itself being racist, and I definitely don’t think it means that character shouldn’t be used for anything. It seems like you don’t make that distinction (again, here’s an opportunity to clarify your position if that is inaccurate).
“which tells me…”
literally the next sentence explains your out of context quote.
read all of the comments and the whole of each comment if you’re going to respond to them.
right now you’re just making things up or assuming things and then extrapolating on your make believe.
as long as you keep making things up, I’m going to point out the things that you’re making up.
I did read that part too :) however it doesn’t logically follow that if you recognize that some episodes are racist that this makes this frame also racist. That is the logical leap you have yet to explain.
It seems you are much more interested in accusing others of making assumptions than you are at actually clearing up any misunderstandings in what you are saying - which I don’t think I’m particularly unjustified in saying is a self inflicted problem.
You know you can actually just reply with “Hi, I didn’t actually mean that but here’s how I am considering this specific frame as racist” instead of getting all aggro. You know you have an actual chance of communicating your point when people ask you to clarify - yet instead you seem all to eager to throw that away. You’re really shooting yourself in the foot in this discussion.
“it doesn’t logically follow…this frame…”
of course it doesn’t, that’s something you made up.
I don’t need to clear anything up for your imaginary argument.
“how i am… considering this…racist”.
very clearly laid out above, you’re the only one pretending not to understand.
you can keep trying to change what I said, but the public record is above so it ain’t gonna work, Jack.
Since you seem to think I am pretending to misunderstand you, I’ll lay it out nice and simple and ask yet again for you to correct me where I am assuming wrong. Let’s break it down:
When you reply to them saying they aren’t sure how you could take this frame as racist by responding with “yes you are”, are you not saying that “you know how this frame is racist” and therefore stating that you believe this frame is racist?
“I’ll lay it out…”
and then you literally repeat your false assumption and extrapolation.
again, not going to get you anywhere.
you are either not reading or ignoring my comments before responding to them. all you have to do is read what you are writing carefully and what I wrote to find 1) your fabrication or 2) my very clear explanation and OPs admission of the racism that he and others are not bothered by, while I am.
I’m not sure if you’re looking for 1 or 2, although yes it does seem like you’re just pretending not to understand either since both of them are written so clearly.
if you actually have such severe trouble with reading comprehension and can only fixate on single sentences taken out of context:
once you realize which part of your question you are fabricating that is not in my comments, as it is the foundation of your atgument, you’ll notice how you’re invalidating your own questions and argument.
I’m literally making the extrapolation in order to ask you if I understand correctly - literally so that you have the opportunity to correct my interpretation of your position before I get too far into responding - yet you seem extremely unwilling to engage with it besides saying that I am still misunderstanding you.
It sounds like I initially misunderstood you to be saying that you believed this specific image was racist - it would have been a lot faster for you to just say that I interpreted your comment wrong instead of accusing me of malice and avoiding any clarification that could tell me what part of my assumption was wrong.
If you do not believe this specific frame is racist but it’s solely the problematic episodes that make this use problematic, you can just say so. There is nothing wrong with being misunderstood, that’s not on you and any fair person wouldn’t hold that against you. But if you never actually clarify then there can be no discussion. Unless you prefer that people continue to misunderstand you. Genuinely trying to be charitable here by trying to hear out your reasoning, but it feels impossible to actually discuss anything when any every attempt to understand what the other side is met with “you are being obtuse and/or deliberately misunderstanding and all I will say is keep reading my existing comments”. That gets us nowhere, and I honestly think you would have been better received in this comments section if you weren’t so defensive.
“literally making the extrapolation in order to ask you if I understand correctly”
there is no reason for you to fabricate, assume or extrapolate in order to ask if you understand something correctly.
you are taking those extra steps so that you can repeat your false assumptions and extrapolations.
but again, the record is above.
“…trying to be charitable…”
no you are not, you are repeating a false accusation so that your false questions look valid, despite their lack of foundation in the material.
“trying to hear out your reasoning”
my reasoning is very clearly laid out in the above comments.
if there is something you genuinely don’t understand, you can directly ask about those comments you don’t understand without any attached assumptions or fabrications.
don’t make things up, stop extrapolating on the things you make up and ask a direct question.
or take a hike.
Sure, but I’m not asking if I understand your conclusion correctly, that’s very clear that you find Bugs Bunny problematic. I’m asking what your reasoning is to connect some racist episodes to the whole character / cartoon being a problem, yet you refuse to give it, so I have to resort to guessing and asking you if I’m correct. You can attack me all you want for trying to figure out what your reasoning is but it really comes off poorly when you are the one who is hiding the reasoning and then accusing anyone who is trying to figure it out of fabricating things. That’s exactly why I asked if I understood correctly very directly like so:
Yet you gave no response.
Again, you call my attempts to clarify your position “false accusations and extrapolations”, yet never actually set the record straight.
Is asking you how “if you recognize that some episodes are racist that this makes this frame also racist” is making a false accusation and not asking a genuine question for further explanation, then I don’t know what to tell you my guy.
All I’ve gathered so far is that you believe that because some Bugs Bunny episodes are racist, it should not be used anywhere. I have been attempting over the course of this entire discussion to get you to clarify anything deeper than that, such as how you draw the connection between some episodes being racist and the entire character being inappropriate for any use, but every attempt I have made to get you to add more details behind your thought process has been basically met with “you should already understand my position” and every attempt to propose a plausible reasoning for you to either agree or correct me on has been met with “you are maliciously assuming my position which I will not clarify beyond my initial position of Bugs Bunny being racist and this use being problematic”.
That is exactly what I have been doing. Are you genuinely saying that these statements appear to you to be malicious assumptions and fabrications and not attempts to directly ask you about things I don’t understand? You have not responded to a single one with an actual clarification aside from accusing me of making false accusations without actually setting me correct.
I’ll try this again
My question for you is: is your complaint that the existence of some racist Bugs Bunny episodes makes any usage of the Bugs Bunny character problematic? I am not assuming or fabricating this, I am asking you if this is the correct interpretation of your complaints. If you can’t give a straight answer then there is no way I can provide a response.
This is pretty uncharitable tbh.