Well, we do have ex post facto protection for the moment, soooo…
Yeah I have it on every device I own now.
No reason to use it ever, but it’s there. Like, not installed, but there.
In the United States you get sent to prison if you use the wrong slop machine
It’s only a proposed bill (thankfully), but definitely one to keep an eye on.
“American Libeety”, ladies and gentleman.
As well as banning research. Absurd overreach of government and it will accomplish the opposite of what it wants.
It’s definitely not because it’s a competitor to Grok (x.ai) who just spend $6 billon on GPUs or anything
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Of the US’s own capabilities?
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The Nazis were also extremely incompetent when I came to stuff like this. Hitler had generals scrambling behind his back to produce their best weapon, but he kept finding out and making them stop along with tons of other micromanaging.
Trump is an idiot and so is musk. Most business people are short sighted and fascists even more. They also may be high on their own farts and think the system won’t collapse with them “in charge” like a toddler left in s room full of candles and napalm.
Not saying that foreign powers aren’t loving this, but they don’t have to have control over it.
Americans try not to scapegoat foreigners for their own domestic problems challenge (impossible).
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I’m not the one making up jingoist conspiracy theories to avoid having to confront the real problems
Just keep believing increasingly unhinged BlueAnon conspiracy theories. The US is just a smol bean fragile liberal democracy being mind controlled by the bad, mean, no good authoritarian foreign masterminds. Previously.
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Here you are, blaming the decline of the US empire on evil scheming foreigners and y’all fucking wonder how oh how fascism is so popular lmao
TBH, I think that’s giving too much credit to those in charge. They don’t want to be China’s or Russia’s puppet. They imagine themselves the puppeteers (whether that’s true or not).
This makes more sense than these parasites submitting to a foreign adversary lol
That’s right, be sure to check for communists under your bed everyone!
That’s not what’s happening. The theory that the builders of Empire were the ones that understood it, and the inheritors of Empire are true believers in the false justification the builders gave and thus defeat itself when given the reigns is coming more and more true.
USSR leadership did… And some of them become the new global oligarch elite. Others got dead.
Current clonw posse could be trying to do something similar, thinking they can do better for themselves
another great day of not being an american
The whole globe is sliding right. It’s not a great day for anyone.
Yeah, thanks to steve bannon, elon musk and facebook
Sliding right and left. It’s becoming more polarized as Empire decays.
true but they will not stop me. even if i was american, i’d download deepseek, idc about anything at this point
if i was american i’d download it rn
oh, these third world dictatorships with no consideration for individual freedoms and human rights…
no, wait.
what a joke.
Clown Country
Some jokes are not amusing.
Yes in this context it means “pathetic”. For people who were thinking I mean the other meaning of joke.
Outlawing Chinese AI in the USA might seem like a “straightforward solution”, but it could have unintended consequences: escalation, underground development, and missed opportunities. At the end of the day, the goal should be to protect human rights and promote transparency, not just in the US or China, but around the world.
At the end of the day, the goal should be to protect human rights and promote transparency, not just in the US or China, but around the world.
Who is gonna tell this person the truth?
Now, American you don’t have right to say China is bad because it do censorship.
HELL YEAH I’M GONNA BREAK THE LAW
Didn’t I just read an article about Apple wanting to use it. It’s open source it can be forked and be American tomorrow. No matter how much Openai crys. This just shows the true lack of any knowledge on the subject. I’m not a fan of the Chinese government as much of the next guy. But the information is out there.
Honest Questions Can a model be open source? Dont we need the data it was trained on to truly be able to reproduce, understand and modify it?
sure a model could theoretically be open source, but in this case that source would be 1) the software to train the model and 2) the training data, and good fucking luck getting either of those honestly.
the AI sphere has co-opted the term “open source” because it sounds nice, what they actually mean is just “a free copy”, a free copy of deepseek is available for download.
They seem to be able to fiddle a lot with the models, but in the end calling it open source is just blatantly not fucking true.
No a model is a model now if you are talking a chat bot or ai app yeah you need the data and that data changes all the time but if I have the model I can supply my own and get simalr results to their model if the data I need is the same. The code is right here https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3?tab=readme-ov-file I can get the models from https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3-Base and train them further and redistub that model legally. Per
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Okay let’s talk terminology
I meant the useable application as a for example chat bot.
The model itself is useful as far as it enables me to understand the underlying logic of the whole thing right? But without the data and I guess a training period with it I can’t use it if I understood it correctly.
If I am right with the above this wouldnt make it useful as in I can reproduce it as a functioning application and I wouldn’t call that opensourve in my understanding of the word.
Apple wants to use it in China
Perplexity already runs a US copy of it.
Exactly
