• klankin@piefed.ca
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    19 days ago

    I was thinking on another scale entirely. Its probably more efficient to exclusively grow tomatoes around the equator, then use one or two massive container ship to transit around the world.

    Livestock get negative points both for their high position in the food web, but also their reduced ability to scale (compared to row crops).

    That being said, even on a small scale, to raise a cow you have to go through SO MUCH food that (even ignoring the value of non-food crop like grass) I’d be surprised if livestock wasn’t an order of magnitude less efficient.

    Of course like anything it depends on the metric, probably could dump a lot of lead in the ocean chasing efficiency. The general point stands though, livestock just have too many logistical issues to be a good choice on a global scale (without factoring in the subsidiaries that keep livestock farms afloat today).

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      19 days ago

      Have you not heard about the tons of fertilisers needed for crops?

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        19 days ago

        Yeah, the issue is livestock eat crops to energise themselves, so livestock inheritly requires exponentially more fertiliser than just the crops would.

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          19 days ago

          ruminants eat grass, which humans cannot eat, and turn it into protein, which humans can eat… grass grows on land that humans can’t use to grow crops… and even crops humans do grow cannot be fully eaten by humans, something like 70% of the biomass from cropland is not consumable by humans… which we turn into human food by feeding to to animals that can eat it.

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            19 days ago

            30% is still quite a lot (much more than just eating a plant!), and the land still has uses beyond just farmland.

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              19 days ago

              https://www.agriculture.gov.au/sites/default/files/images/abares-snapshot-2026-2-land.png

              Land use Million hectares % of Australia % of Agricultural land
              Cropping + horticulture 43.60 5.67% 9.9%
              Grazing animals 382.87 49.80% 87.2%

              https://doi.org/10.1016/j.dib.2022.108852

              you will see they are already farming everywhere they can farm…

              it wouldn’t be “efficient” to ignore 88% of your productive land… and even if you do ignore it, the sun still shines on it, the grass still grows on it… something is going to eat that grass, even if it’s just bacteria… so the ecology is going to keep marching forward no matter what, that is why its a biocycle

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                18 days ago

                You could use the same argument to throw a datacenter there, but just because nature is undistributed doesn’t mean we need to disturb it.

                Efficiency also includes space efficiency, as we have destroyed more habitats in the past hundred years than some extinction events.

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                18 days ago

                how do you not understand that the more meat we consume, the more the crops that need to be grown? the vast majority of farmed animal meat is grown with far more crops than it would ever take to just feed people the plants. its incredibly simple arithmetic.

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                  18 days ago

                  Unfortunately, simple and true are often at odds

                  Most crop biomass is not edible by humans, so that 70% of biomass we can’t eat is fed to animals. That doesn’t mean the crops are grown exclusively for animals, it’s just an industrial efficiency

                  It seems like you were not able to look at the map, 88% of the food producing land of Australia is only suitable for grazing animals, to make meat

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                    16 days ago

                    I guess there are no consequences to flooding a land with non-native cows or sheep or whatever and letting them eat everything in sight. Or even just artificially increasing the native population of your choice to do the same.

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          18 days ago

          GRASS, I know you know it’s grass because you responded to the comment with the grazable pastoral GRASS LAND map.