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Im not upgrading my OS, and im not building or buying a new computer.
Im just going to ride it out until it explodes. the tech market is so messed up right now that I’ll end up paying more than what I did for my Machine in 2019, and it will be comparatvely, nowhere near as much as a performance jump as when I made the last switch from my 2012 build.
If you absolutely must use windows
Download the Pro ISO from windows.
Use MicroWin to create an iso without tpm requirements and with offline installation
Use MAS and use only the Enterprise edition. You might need to upgrade to Professional first.
Then use WindowsDebloater to tailor it to your liking.
Unfortunately that requires a full reinstall, I wish there was a way to upgrade from 10 pro to 10 enterprise.
Yeah there’s no foolproof way to do a general upgrade. Wiping is the easiest way to bypass the tpm requirement.
Is Windows Enterprise LTSC a good idea?
Nope.
Yes
Maybe
Possibly
Please elaborate
I’ve had a Mac for over 10 years, still runs like the day I got it. Sure I can’t play games on it, but does absolutely everything else perfect for me.
I have a ten year old one which works fine with OpenCore Legacy Patcher.
Support for 2015 macs ended 7 months ago. Forget 10 years ago, my 2015 mac doesn’t run like it used to in Big Sur.
That’s unfortunate for you I guess.
I thought Apple started the stopping support of Intel Mac’s a couple of years ago? If you had the newest Intel from 5 years ago, support is supposed to end this year.
That’s great, but what does it have to do with the topic?
i have an older desktop with 10, it doesn’t have tpm, but there is a slot, i could get one and upgrade but also i mostly use linux on it
but i still feel like i’m going to lose something and it stresses me out a bitI finally switched to Linux for my daily driver and gaming PC. It was easy.
There it is, the Linux bros always jumping in
Well yeah. The Mac bros are too busy polishing their yachts to spend time on Lemmy.
So honestly, which percentage of your game collection runs on Linux? Because I’ve looked into doing this just a few months ago, and unless the industry had some kind of mass exodus, less than 10% of my games run on Linux, and that’s a generous estimate.
Not defending Windows or anything, this is just my experience.
less than 10% of my games run on Linux
I’m kinda curious to see your games list
I couldn’t find a way to get a breakdown of this, but browsing Stream’s Linux compatible list showed just a handful of games I own (Portal 2, Dying Light, Terraria), and spot checking my ±20 favorites resulted in just one compatible title (Cities: Skylines). So I ballparked it at <10%.
I’ve since learned from this thread that this information doesn’t accurately reflect Linux support, though.
The list you linked is for games with native ports to Linux, not the ones you can run through proton. But dozens of others already pointed you to it, check it out sometime.
Yes, I’m aware of that now, I was just providing background regarding how I came to the 10% in my original comment.
As much as you guys like to worship Linux, that shit isn’t mainstream compatible
I know you’re getting a ton of replies already, but I switched to Arch Linux two months back or so and I just want to say nearly every game I’ve tried works great out of the box, a handful of games required me to go to my steam settings a flip a switch or copy and paste something from protondb, and no games have failed to work.
Gaming on Linux is so good that you end up flipping one switch in steam and get nearly perfect performance (with most games running identically or better than they did on Windows for me). It’s been such a surprise, I just played the Arc Raiders technical Alpha and I thought for sure Linux would fail me then. And it did. For the first day, then on the second day they patched proton and the game and I played all week and weekend with zero issues. It was fantastic!
I would highly encourage any gamer who’s thinking about switching to Linux but worried their games won’t work to not worry as much. Check protondb for your favorites, but you can safely assume most game work out of the box.
Thanks, I appreciate your insights! I wonder how many people like me are simply looking at publisher notes and under the impression Linux isn’t sorted. I’m genuinely impressed by the overwhelming feedback that it’s simply good, and I’m excited to try it.
Ya, happy to spread the word! I was hesitant for a long while for the same reason but then Steam Deck happened and I looked into it more and BAM here we are. It’s one of the more hopeful changes in this tech landscape - the growth of open source and/or free software that’s often equivalent to the paid software.
Sorry but how did you only have 10% running on linux a few months back? I run every game except apex legends, warzone and fornite… This is ridiculous misinformation of you
I’ve based my information on what Steam says: https://store.steampowered.com/linux
I honestly don’t know what to say about the misinformation accusation. Blame the publishers, I guess?
I’ve since learned from this thread that it doesn’t accurately reflect how well games run using Proton.
Not gonna blame steam or publishers, rather gonna blame the guy that talks out of his ass without googling it for 5sec
Why are you being so hostile? How have I been talking out of my ass? I feel I’ve provided a wealth of context here about my experiences over the years and how I came to this conclusion.
In fact, I think my experience is representative of many people’s perception of Linux support for games.
Honestly proton running the windows version under linux is typically better polished, better performing, and more compatible than the “official” native linux version that most publishers put out, except in very rare circumstances where the developer actually understands and uses Linux and makes it a primary development focus. It’s counterintuitive, but proton actually is that good (also most official linux releases are pretty lazy, like “console ports” if not worse).
Complaining how it is misinformation and listing multiple examples of how it is not is a new one to me.
They only need a games list of 30 games and the games you mentioned to have 10% not working on Linux statistic.
Not everyone has 600+ games.
Learn to read next time, maybe u will understand something in life, jezus, literally said i run all games except these ones, like what is that logic u use?
Honestly I have a ridiculous pile o’ games like a lot of us do, and I’ve yet to find something (that’s not VR) that I cannot play .
For reference I’m running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with a 30 series Nvidia card. Wayland, two monitors, main is 144hz ultrawide 3440 x 1440, another is 1080p 60hz.
First off there’s a few programs out there to get you “Glorious Eggroll” versions of Proton which add even more stuff Valve can’t distribute in their versions.
This beautiful software right here looks about right: https://davidotek.github.io/protonup-qt/
Steam works fantastically. Heck, Proton works better than native Linux builds sometimes! Deck playability is an even bigger mark of quality.
Even EA’s silly launcher works. I got Titanfall 2 and that Sims 2 Ultimate they gave away ages ago working like butter.
I also love actually owning my games, so I use Heroic Launcher for GoG titles.
Oh! I even have CD games or old .EXEs windows would refuse to even install anymore! Don’t worry, Linux has got this. I use Bottles to have separate environments for those games to install to and run. Majority of the time it works great but this is where things can get iffy. But hey, Windows wouldn’t run them at all!
Wanna know what made me switch? Vermintide 2 kept giving me BSODs in Windows 10 with some super vague error code that made me think “Oh crap, please don’t tell me my GPU is dying.”
Nope! Linux ran it with zero probs once I fixed some small quirk to make their dumb little launcher work.
Cherry on top? All my RGB stuff works with Open RGB or my recently retired Corsair keyboard works with “CKB Next”.
The community has made incredible strides. My Win10 partition only exists because it has Windows Mixed Reality, which they’re abandoning. But not to fear, the Monado project is making HUGE improvements.
Give it a shot. I think you’ll be surprised. :)
How are you getting on with VR? I have a Reverb G2 and if I can play Elite and DCS on Linux I’m basically sold at this point.
I really want a new headset but nothing beats the G2 right now, without giving money to Meta which I refuse to do.
At this point it’s pretty much only the competitive games with kernel level anti-cheat that don’t work on Linux because of their kernel level anti-cheat.
But then again, if 90% of the games you play are competitive games that require kernel level anti-cheat, you should probably consider expanding your gaming experience lol
Would “Steam Deck compatibility” be a good proxy, at least for Steam games?
Yep! 👍
I just made the switch this weekend. I have not had a single incompatibility yet. I have seen an oddity here and there in Helldivers 2, but nothing crazy.
Oddity 1: In normal windows play async issues sometimes happen where a player steps on a mine in the other person’s client but not their own. They continue to play because their client doesn’t mark them dead. To the other person, they appear as a person missing some number of body parts (sometimes just a floating torso). We call this torso mode.
Since switching to linux I have not seen him go torso mode a single time. He still sees me go torso mode.
Oddity 2: The artillery rounds are color coded for what each of them does. Since switching to linux they only appear silver for whatever reason. It’s a nonissue, I just read them when I walk next to them. If anyone asks my character is colorblind.
One additional note:
If you install steam with a flatpak, you’re going to have to tangle with the permissions related to a flatpak. Once you add directory permissions for an additional directory via flatseal (for example, if you want a library on each of your harddrives), you won’t have to touch it again and it’s great.
Maybe these issues are significant to you, maybe they aren’t. Ultimately, god I love my system starting up in just a few seconds. And having true control over it.
Its a fairly safe bet that your offline games won’t have much trouble, from my experience.
idk where you looked, protondb.com is a good database for this stuff, from your later reply insurgency sandstorm and hund showdown are both “gold” rated, they should be okay
but the thing is … you could just try for yourself, for freeI had just looked at the publisher’s system requirements on Steam, since my experience with Wine from over a decade ago was a dead end. I’ve learned a lot from this thread, though, and it seems things have improved dramatically.
it seems things have improved dramatically.
Like maxo said, things are definitely waaaaaaaay better than 10 years ago.
I’d say roughly 80% of my windows only games run as good as on windows, and probably 25-30% of my full library (not just what runs in proton) runs better in Linux with proton/wine than they do in win11.
Mostly what doesn’t work is stuff with kernel level anticheat.It did. I recently downloaded steam on Ubuntu and you don’t need to install any 3rd party stuff yourself. It’s available as compatibility toggle in steam. Sometimes you need to configure different version of Proton for games to work and they are slower to start. But they run fast and I didn’t experienced much bugs. It’s amazing, now after end of win10 I can ditch windows completely, as this and photoshop was the only reason I still have win10 installed.
What kind of games do you play? Unless a game has anticheat, it is pretty much guaranteed to run on Linux.
“Unless your game is one of the most popular games that people play, it will run on Linux”
Unless your game has an anticheat, forbids linux to be played with the anticheat due to cheaters on linux and still end up with an online experience where the cheaters blatantly wallhack and never get caught unless they kill a famous streamer in the game.
Who even wants to play apex legends or cod these days? Riddled with cheaters
“Who even wants to play the most popular games with the most amount of players these days?”
Everyone, which is my point. Those games are the most popular, most played games on every platform they’re on - and they’re not on Linux (though I believe apex is now at least).
Among my favorites with anti cheat are Insurgency: Sandstorm and Hunt: Showdown. I will reluctantly play Fortnite if friends insist!
i have just recently found out that from ps4 and xbox one up you can play fortnite and a bunch of other f2p titles, without subscription and with mouse and keyboard, with crossplay to every other platform
Should be ok:
Fortnite does not work on Linux.
Most games that don’t have kernel level anti-cheat tend to work.
Have you tried to play the games or did you look them up on a site? I’ve found that unless you are looking at a popular new game, a lot of the games listed are saying that they don’t play, but we’re last checked in 2023, and they do work now but no body has updated the new results.
I looked up my favorites, based on my experience in the past with unsupported games. Long ago, I tried using Wine, way back before Steam even had a native Linux client. I managed to get Steam to run through Wine but never succeeded in getting any game to run beyond a loading screen. That was ages ago, though.
Things have changed since then. Steam not only has a Linux client, but also has Proton which loads most Windows apps (it’s marketed for games, but in reality it will work on Windows apps).
Multiplayer games and ones that require Uplay or Origin (can’t remember their new names) have issues, but most single player stuff will run fine. You’ll typically have to run them via Wine or Proton, but Steam will handle that for you.
I’ve never tried Proton, but I’ve gone down a rabbit hole of trying to use Wine for running games a few years back. I’ll look into Proton, thanks for the suggestion.
If you bought the game through Steam, using Proton is often as simple as installing it and hitting play. If you’re curious about specific games, search them on ProtonDB
Yeah Proton is definitely the way to go over using Wine directly. Valve has put a ton of work into making it seamless. I have a large steam library and have found literally only one game (Destiny 2) that doesn’t work. And that’s just because Bungie has gone out of their way to make sure it won’t run on Linux for “anti cheating” reasons.
I’m on Garuda, every game I have tried has worked great, sometimes I just have to choose a different proton version with an easy pull down menu. The only game I have given up is Destiny 2, because they say they will ban anyone on Linux because of their anti cheat.
What’s MS’s plan after this? Everyone I know that uses Windows/M365 hate it more with every passing day and is looking to leave.
I really don’t want to be in tech support in 2029 when they kill off old outlook. There will be blood on that day.
Sounds like you live in an echo chamber. Windows is still by far the most popular computer operating system, and it’s not even close. There’s no sign of people moving away from Windows en-masse. Windows 11 adoption has been massive.
If Win11 adoption is really massive, it’s because MS forced it down people’s throats.
Irrelevant. Windows 11 is well over 50% of respondents on the steam survey, has been since late last year iirc. Windows 11 is the best Windows OS, and arguably PC OS, there has ever been. People are not getting fed up with it or moving away to Linux. Factually they just aren’t.
So, forced Bitlocker, forced obsolescence of otherwise still viable hardware, forced online accounts, and having Copilot/Recall shoved down your throat for the versions of that OS that a normal consumer can legally and readily obtain, make Win11 the best PC OS?
I mean, sure, you can get LTSC and Win11 even has an LTSC version, but unless you’re a large corporation, there’s no legal way for you to get it, the only legal versions a normal consumer can get are Home or Pro as those are readily available on the retail circuit, and if you bought an OEM prebuilt from any big box store, one can just download the normal Win11 ISO from MS and it should auto-activate to whatever version that system came preinstalled with, which is typically Home, and those are the versions that treat their users like hot trash, Home especially.
Windows 11 is the best Windows OS, and arguably PC OS, there has ever been.
So, forced Bitlocker, forced obsolescence of otherwise still viable hardware, forced online accounts, and having Copilot/Recall shoved down your throat for the versions of that OS that a normal consumer can legally and readily obtain, make Win11 the best PC OS?
Forced security, oh no…Forced obsolescence? No hardware is being made obsolete, it will keep working just fine. Forced online accounts that are only needed once for login a single time? Oh no, the horror. Not to mention that the “forced online account” saves your bitlocker encryption key on it, so you can recover your data if your hardware gets destroyed. Copilot and Recall aren’t the same thing. They are OS features that you can turn off if you want. Some people actually like them too!
Those aren’t the things that make Win11 the best PC OS, they’re just things that you don’t like that you think make it bad - but you’re overlooking everything that make it good.
More like MS enabling Bitlocker and causing data loss without the user knowing about it, something that’s been pissing a lot of people off lately, and forced obsolescence refers to Win11 blocking everything prior to Zen+ and Coffee Lake, compounded with Win10 going EOL soon, which has at least the intended effect of making people buy a new PC even if their old PC is still good otherwise, and not all people are comfortable with having to sign up for an online account just to install their OS and would rather make a local account if possible; MS recently axed the workaround which enabled that for the consumer versions of Windows.
Also, I didn’t know local backups of your data ala simply copying it to an external drive at the minimum, weren’t an option that existed anymore.
sarcasm
Compared to Linux adoptions (and I mean every distro combined), the adoption of Windows 11 is ginormous.
The reason it was “forced down throats” is because the average user doesn’t give a shit and would still be on Windows 2000 if it came with their computer.
Yet they would still blame Microsoft if anything went wrong.
For comparison, if people adopted Linux the same way, you’d have people still on Corel Linux.
I work at a national IT support company talking to hundreds of windows users every week, and the general sentiment is that Windows 11 is unnecessary, new outlook is literally the Antichrist and people are sick of being charged more and more every year for crap they don’t want or need.
Just l8ke I still see 2012R2 servers in the wild, Windows 10 isn’t going away anytime soon.
Sounds like you live in a contrarian chamber. People really do hate the “new Outlook” (basically it’s just Hotmail) and Windows 11 adoption has been slower than for most other versions of Windows. The requirements often mean needing to buy a new computer which a lot of people can’t afford, especially if prices go up because of tariff nonsense.
There will be a lot of people still running on out of support Windows 10 systems at the end of the year.
Running out of support windows is nothing new. The point was that people would rather do that than switch to Linux. People aren’t leaving to Linux instead any great numbers.
Yeah yeah, I will get round to it, stop bloody nagging me.
Imagine all the people, using their PC’s.
Using their PC’s what?
No Dell below us, above us only Pi
I DID buy a new computer; MacBook!
Congratulations on the downgrade. You’ve gone from an OS that will support your hardware from at least 10 years, to maybe 7 years of support.
I bought a used PC with a 6-year old CPU model only to find out that Windows 11 wouldn’t support it. That’s when I realized that the only advantage that Windows had over Macs in my opinion (aside from games) was gone.
I’m curious what CPU was in it, as there aren’t any CPUs listed from 2019 that aren’t supported.
If my computer could run faster it would catch up with my refrigerator.
If anyone want to use Mint be prepared for bronen one after a while . Try Fedora instead. Maybe it looks harder on the beginning but it will be better instead of formatting Mint after few months to install it again. This was my own opinion about Mint as main Desktop. Now Fedora is my favorite and no format till now.
Mint still going strong and painless for me after 6 months
+1 for Linux Mint. I’ve been on it full time since December 2024 and have been incredibly pleased with its performance, stability, and customisation. I found alternatives for all my old Windows workflows, so there’s no way in hell I’ll go back to Windows.
I love Linux, but my older system has an older Nvidia graphics card in it and I lost 15-20 FPS when I switch to Linux.
The new cards seem to perform better, but the old stuff is really hit and miss…
Nvidia isn’t really the best, no
Unfortunate for Linux then because nvidia gpus are the best gpus.
20% downgrade on nVidia GPU’s when using some Linux OS.
MS is for a rude awakening when general populace will not update their hardware with record inflation.
Those people will do what they always do, just keep using it without security updates.
Be clear about it - you’ll still get Windows Defender updates, but not patches to the OS or MS applications/Utilities.
People will just keep using insecure windows 10 versions.
JFC it doesn’t become a honeypot on November 1.
Or, you know, Linux, and be done with the crap
Just like they did when every other version of Windows stopped being supported. That’s why Linux has a 70%+ market share on computers right now…….
I’ll be doing both with Linux as my primary and Win10 as a compatibility fallback.
The general populace isn’t going to switch to Linux. They’re just not.
The path of least resistance is to continue using Win10
pathetic title. clickbaity. in the end this shit wont help.
