What’s W ?

It’s not that i don’t know a little about the hostility in the region, it’s that I’m not clear on the spark this time around.

I was throwing shade at Israel’s endorsement. That’s like having Trump or Putin endorse a thing. Automatic rejection from me.

So you say that Kashmir is occupied by lndia ??

Isn’t it Pakistan shelling across the LoC, killing 15 civilians and injuring 40+ people, as of now? Which part of ‘Kashmir’ are you from? Because this happened in Poonch. I sincerely doubt if you’re one, considering the fact that ‘Hindutvas’ is plain wrong, grammatically, everyone calls them ‘Hindutvavadis’ or something similar. I’ve only ever seen people from the west call them that. You sound an awful lot like a larper.

I condemn the occupation of Kashmir, and support the rights of all Kashmiris, Kashmiri Muslims, Kashmiri Pandits, and Kashmiri Sikhs to have the right to return safely to the homes they were displaced so violently from, and be represented in the government and people. But JeM and LeT aren’t the ‘resistance groups’ you think they are. Kashmiris protested for the first time in history against the Pahalgam attack, calling it a terrorist attack, despite how much the word has been tainted. All within a few hours of the attack. Not to mention the fact that even in the height of militancy, Kashmiri insurgents never attacked tourists and pilgrims as they would lose support from the Kashmiris whose bread and butter was tourism, Hotel Owners and the rest of the business class. This was an implicit agreement, and was honoured. Maqbool Bhat, Burhan Wani and the like were very different from these attackers. (If you were Kashmiri, you’d notice something about the surnames). Burhan Wani and his gang of rebels did not have the advanced training, equipment and intelligence that these attackers did. 200,000 Kashmiris attended his funeral. But in this case, Kashmiris have condemned this attack. It’s kind of funny how Kashmiris from IOK themselves are saying these people do not represent our resistance, and western leftists are insisting they do, despite having no understanding of the conflict, or of Pakistan.

For the leftists lurking here who will, I am sure, be quick to downvote: these groups you are backing are not Kashmiri. They are monsters created by the West backing the Mujahideen against the Soviets. They are far more radical than the JKLF and Hizbul Mujahideen have ever been, and Hizb was pretty bad. Look up how the HIzb betrayed JKLF millitants to the Indian army because they weren’t loyal enough to Pakistan for them and dared to think of indpendent rule. The relationship India has with Pakistan is complex, unlike Israel’s relationship with Palestine, which has always been unequal. During the brutal Mumbai attacks, Pakistan denied all charges of complicity. India did everything ‘right’ - it gave a fair trial to Kasab, shared evidence with the international community and urged Pakistan to crack down on terror camps in their country. But what did Pakistan do? It denied that Kasab was a Pakistani national, denied that they had any such camps, banned journalists from going to Kasab’s village. It took years of investigation and coordination with the intelligence agencies of other countries to prove that ISI officials (which worked with the CIA during the Soviet-Afghan War) were complicit. David Headley (thanks America, you never fail to disappoint when creating terrorists) and Tahawuur Rana, masterminds of the attacks, provided the necessary clues.

Pre-26/11 India and Pakistan had the warmest relations they’d had in years. Pakistan’s denial, and subsequent investigation, other terrorist attacks after this (there were many) by the same organisations changed everything.

This same government released Lakhvi in 2015 on bail, who was one of the founders of LeT. 7 years after the attacks. He was released, and is apparently given 3 five-year sentences. Why such leniency, and such convenient disappearance and reappearence? You don’t think, out of the hundreds of people who watched it happen live for two days, one person who saw it and saw more terrorist attacks in India, might have been radicalised? Just like the Kashmiri child who saw his mother getting raped? Don’t be selective in your materialism. Again, this is not an excuse for Hindu fascists but only for their support (which maxed out to 37% of the voting population, by the way. Modi lost in many constituencies where he gave hate speech. His support is greatly decreased now, lower than when he was first elected in 2014 on the promises of development and less corruption), and an explanation for its appeal among youth. India is not some uniform Hindu fascist country–we are far more diverse, and our politics is equally complex. It is impossible to reduce it to a uniform twitter Sanghi nation.

Sajad Mir, a man claimed by the Pakistani government to be a fantasy cooked up by India, was found to be a real person, one of the planners of the Mumbai attacks. The efforts of international journalists (https://www.propublica.org/article/the-man-behind-mumbai) proved his role. In fact, he had even planned a terrorist attack in Australia, and his fellow conspirator, a French terrorist whose name I don’t recall right now revealed that he was well known in the Pakistani Army and freely went into Pakistani Army bases which civilians typically aren’t allowed to go into, let alone know their location or members. This was when he and his buddy were training Lashker-e-Taiba. Is it so surprising that this genocidal army wouldn’t do anything about known terrorists, then?

Pakistan’s army committed a genocide in living memory - the genocide of Bangladeshis. This is the state you’re defending, and the groups that have spawned from it, which provides cover to the worst scum if it serves their purposes.

Anyway, onto Mir. Mir was declared dead after it was found that he wasn’t so imaginary after all. Pakistan shifted the goalposts - he died long ago, we don’t have to hand him over to India. Then, magically in 2022, he was brought back from the dead and convicted. A French magistrate said that he was a member of the Pakistani Army. He was the son of an officer, after all. Why did Pakistan lie and protect such men? Why did Pakistan’s ISI destroy key evidence in the trial? Why did the state withhold evidence if it has nothing to do with terrorists?

Why are Lakhvi and Hafiz Saeed still chilling in Pakistan? They both have an Interpol red notice. Why is he roaming freely in the country and giving inflammatory speeches? Saeed said his party would be contesting elections in 2018. This is an anti-terrorist state? Yesterday, Masood Azhar said that his mosque and seminary were hit by the missile – why does he have a seminary and mosque to radicalise poor young men of Pakistan? Why does Pakistan take absolutely no action on terrorists except when said terrorists harm the army’s interests?

To claim that the Pakistani state/army (the state has no real power; no PM has served their full term in Pakistan) and the terror apparatus are somehow separate entities flies in the face of evidence. Even I was surprised when many of what seemed like conspiracy theories about Pakistan for nationalist propaganda to me was true, and far worse than I had ever imagined. I encourage you to read the Oxford’s book on Lashkar-e-Taiba. (https://academic.oup.com/book/35144/chapter-abstract/299339330)

In 1948, when Kashmir’s king declared that Kashmir would be independent, Pakistan sent Pashtuns into the valley to invade, rape and pillage the fragile state soon after the violence of the Partition. It has its own separatist movements in Balochistan, KPK and had one in what is now Bangladesh. Bangladesh, too, has colonial policies towards people of Chittagong tracks. This is because these British created borders, and indeed the whole concept of a nation-state of one ethnicity, language, culture and religion falls apart. Pakistan pursues its mythical ethnostate, persecuting anyone who isn’t like them - Bengalis for speaking Bengali, Ahmadis (including the first Nobel winner of Pakistan, who was driven out of the state), Hindus, Ismailis, Bohris, and even Shias. Bangladesh persecutes the tribals of Chittagong and Biharis too. India, too, tried to impose a Hindustani (the language)/Hindi identity on its population but was met with fierce resistance.

Why am I harping on about Pakistan and the Lashkar? To give some context for the Pahalgam attack that killed 24 Indians, 1 Kashmiri and 1 Nepali. The pattern, like I said in the 2nd paragraph, doesn’t fit at all. The militants of Kashmir were never this well equipped, trained and they didn’t target tourists. They also had local support. How much does the Lashkar-e-Toiba backed Resistance Front, (which also killed Hindu pilgrims in Reasi by the way, a few months ago - which was condemned by Kashmiris as well, though it happened in the pro-India Jammu region) have support among working class Kashmiris?

The JKLF was helped by Pakistan, but it was born in Kashmir, from the blood and tears of the occupation and the undemocratic, rigged election of 1987. The young men who joined it were angered by India’s treatment of Kashmiris. (There was, however, communal violence directed towards Kashmiri Hindus, eventually forcing most to leave the state. I think they forget about Prem Nath Bazaz in their hurry to form their cozy little ethnostate with no Pandits in it.) LeT and JeM are disgusting horrors borne from the American war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. Abdullah Azzam, who was one of Osama Bin Laden’s mentors, was a trainer of JeM. He was also responsible for bringing fighters into Afghanistan to supply the Mujahideen. Mir’s French buddy had even planned an attack in Australia. Pakistan’s shielding of them is unsurprising.

So no, the Indian government can’t just tell Pakistan which sites they’re going to target in hopes that Pakistan will play fair. I don’t think this was right, either, but Masood Azhar was definitely targeted and I’m glad his seminary was destroyed. Muridke’s Markaz-e-Taiba was also one of the marked locations, and it is public knowledge that it was LeT’s base camp. It’s a beautiful, lush campus too, for funding death.

There are recorded instances of Pak army personnel attacking Indian civilians in disguise of Indians… and not just in Kashmir.

And anyone who has the word ‘Hindutvas’ in his/her vocabulary has zero connect with ground reality of India.

But sarcasm has.

You are quoting it without realising that it contradicts everything you have been claiming across lemmy.